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Story 183: "All the Children Are Insane" by MustangSally

In The X-Files fandom there are debatably no two authors more closely associated in the minds of fanfic readers than RivkaT, the author of our last fic, and MustangSally, who are indelibly linked by their co-authorship of "Iolokus". Which is why this week we're going to be reading "All the Children Are Insane," perhaps MustangSally's most widely read solo fic.

It's a vignette set in the summer after S5, with sex, angst, and the burnt-office base notes of existential crisis. The posting date stamp on "All The Children Are Insane" is June 18th 1998, just one day before Fight the Future hit theaters. To me the writing has always hummed with the captured tension of that summer, the fever pitch of fannish excitement and anxiety.

All the Children Are Insane

[livejournal.com profile] mustangsally78 is still around; sending feedback never hurts. And as always, our recommendations thread is over here.

[identity profile] write-out.livejournal.com 2011-10-16 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I love this story. Love love love it! I will elaborate in a couple of days (I have classes the next two nights and a ton of related reading I am procrastinating on this very minute)- I just wanted to drop a quick note to commit to commenting in more depth on this one. I know I've been absent from the past few stories here.

[identity profile] hazel75.livejournal.com 2011-10-17 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
I will say I have a hard time with her Scully voice. I spent the first part of this fic trying to figure out who the character was because, well, it didn't fit my feeling of Scully. I thought maybe it was Skinner or Kryjek, and then I figured it out. I just don't see Scully being so foul-mouthed and hard. It just doesn't fit Scully, to me.

[identity profile] hazel75.livejournal.com 2011-10-17 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
First time poster, by the way, but I've been following for a while and have found so much great fic thanks to y'all.

[identity profile] badforthefish.livejournal.com 2011-10-17 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
Ooooh, I remember loving that one, but I don't remember much about it. Off to re-read it now.

[identity profile] badforthefish.livejournal.com 2011-10-17 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
I agree that MustangSally's Scully takes some getting used to. This is a flintier, harsher version that differs quite a bit from Canon!Scully. My theory is that the writer designed her to be what Scully would have been if all her traumas and scary shit that happened to her on the X-Files would have *really* taken its toll - dented her soul in some way. This is a deeply human Scully with all the flaws that comes with this package, not the ersatz Madonna Chris Carter had in mind.

This said once you accept this raw, merciless portrayal, you will begin to see that at the core lies something that *is* essentially all Scully.

[identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com 2011-10-17 11:41 am (UTC)(link)
I know the mods feel that the more people mouth off the better. ;)
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2011-10-17 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi! [livejournal.com profile] estella_c is right, the more the merrier here. I'm glad to know people are reading fic and lurking here but I love, love, love when people actually comment.

I know what you mean about Scully in this story. This is Mustang Sally's Scully; to me, she greatly resembles the Scully from Iolokus. I think [livejournal.com profile] badforthefish is correct: this is a grittier, darker version of Scully than most, and she certainly takes some getting used to. For writing purposes, this would not work for me, but when reading fic, I like seeing different interpretations, and this one is really different.
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2011-10-18 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi! The numbering is off. This should be 183.

[identity profile] badforthefish.livejournal.com 2011-10-18 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
So after re-reading this...I still like it, but not as much as I first did.

This Scully has a mighty bee in her bonnet - an angry, crude inner voice that swears like a sailor. She's pretty remote from the soft spoken, compassionate woman from the show who only swears in time of crisis.

This is indeed Iolokus Scully's twin on a bad, kick in the balls, day.

But if you accept this OTT portrayal then you can sit back and enjoy the ride. And there's a lot to enjoy in this fic. It is extremely well written and the descriptions sparkle like fireworks, branding images vividly in your head. Mulder feels more or less 'right' to me. The paper bag comment was pretty insensitive, but this is not something I would put past him.

Sometimes it gets a bit much, the metaphors and simile arrive at machine gun pace to the point of ruining the overall effect. Less is more. It feels that sometimes the writer is trying to cram too many things at once, maybe to maintain the sense of urgency, but for the reader this is akin to sensory overload. Of course this could be just me, I like words in the stories I read to have room to breathe and expand to their full potential. I have a similar issue with Penumbra's Parabiosis.

This food is just a a tad too rich for my taste.

And yet, there's a lot to love in this ATCAI. It's so rare to read smut that doesn't make you want to burst out laughing or cringe or roll your eyes. And nobody writes smut as evocativelly as MustangSally (and RivkaT)do IMO. The only thing that didn't work for me was Scully saying "Don't screw around and fuck me" which I SO can't hear coming out of Scully's mouth. Not like this at any rate.

Anyway. This was a beautiful line:

Her throat has precisely the same arch as a well-thrown curve ball.

This was damn hot:

Hot breath stirs the delicate
cilia inside my head and sends the short hairs on the back of my neck
into attack mode.

"Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing," she says in a voice that would not
have been out of place on a 900 number.


Underneath it all she is a swan, white and lithe against the black water of the sofa

Okay this is a bit overkill, but can't you just see Scully lying naked on the couch so perfectly with this image? Because I can.

There are many other lines I could quote that worked extremely well, but it would take too long.

IIRC the term "slow motion pornography" was declared one of the hottest line of fanfiction of all time, by my fellow UK Philes back in the days.

I'm not saying that everything works in the sex scenes. All that Everest stuff with Sherpas kinda kill the impact of the moment and could have done with a good trim - as many other lines could have, but it's a whole lot more hits than misses.

And the ending is incredibly bittersweet. I'm not ready


Voila.









Edited 2011-10-18 17:45 (UTC)

[identity profile] hazel75.livejournal.com 2011-10-19 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the reply. I went back and reread with your comment in mind, and the story worked a lot better for me. At first, I was too busy thinking this isn't Scully to get much, but upon rereading I can see it is Scully, just a Scully who's been changed in different ways from her experiences.

[identity profile] write-out.livejournal.com 2011-10-20 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Love this story! Yeah, Scully might seem OOC initially. However, I agree with [livejournal.com profile] badforthefish's comment above that this is a harsher, flintier Scully, but still *Scully* at the core. (That said, I do have issues with Scully in Iolokus, but in this story I can put them aside and buy Scully here pretty much without reservation.)

There are lots of great lines and moments here, but I think my favorites outside of the actual smut are these:

"What's the matter?"

"I can't get it in."

It hits me that this is perhaps the funniest thing that I have ever said
in my life and I start to laugh the laugh of a drunk. Scully's disgust
melts after a moment and I realize that she is grinning at me through her
streaked face.

"You should have taken it out to dinner first, bought it a few drinks,
whispered sweet nothings in its ear."

"What are sweet nothings?"

Her hand grabs the arm of my sodden jacket and pulls me down so my ear is
scant millimeters away from her face. Hot breath stirs the delicate
cilia inside my head and sends the short hairs on the back of my neck
into attack mode.

"Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing," she says in a voice that would not
have been out of place on a 900 number.


I can totally see that scene in my head.

This has always been one of my smutty, dark favorites. It's not even remotely a sappy story, but I still sense an undercurrent of love and bottom line, Mulder and Scully feel authentic to me.

[identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com 2011-10-20 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Bad for the Fish and Write Out have both referenced the M/S interchange that I consider the most erotic one in our lore. "Nothing, nothing, nothing" indeed. It just occurred to me that this touches the nihilism at the heart of the show. Except for the idealism. Oh, never mind. I'm sure MA never considered that. We are sex scene bound!

Mustang Sally's stories--I also love the lighter and earlier "Diamonds and Rust" and "An Everlasting Kiss"--introduced me to fanfic I really got. I want happy endings but I love bad language and rough sex. And how could we get two overtrained fibbies to that point? Booze. More booze. Everyone off the hook and into the abyss.

For some reason a tough-talking Scully has never bothered me. And this sexual encounter, a matter of lowered inhibitions, comfort, but mainly overdue lust, is perfectly to my taste. I do realize, on the reread, that it's kind of a careless story. It's made up of genius lines ("And the great ship split in half and sank into the North Atlantic") and lines that could have used an editor's smoothing hand ("...her teeth scoring the sides of my throat, my shoulders, and her nails nip into the jumping muscles in my ass"). MA is not waiting for editors. She's bound for the Big O.

I actually think the carelessness is in a kind of keeping with the crazy transgressiveness that marked the work of this writer and her frequent partner. They were the break-outs, the outliers, the ones who insisted and demonstrated that pornography without exciting language was pornography without excitement.

I agree that the exaggerated images bump into each other, and that the humor and the serious shipsex ("The great ship") sometimes argue. It's careless language and careless sex. But it sure as hell worked then, and in my opinion it still works.

Incidentally, I could have sworn that there is another ending version somewhere that mentions the hangover fairy. Can anyone recall?

[identity profile] maria-37-ann.livejournal.com 2011-10-21 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
There is a lot I love about this story, but I'll echo a few complaints first.

The metaphors do get a bit much - the Sherpa line was fine for me actually - it was just the right amount of humor for me. One example of one that did not work for me was "I am shaking like a paint mixer at Home Depot" I think the product placement feel to that line threw me off. :-P

The sex scene is a little silly, but it also doesn't take itself quite so seriously. There are a few tropes, but it also feels fairly tongue in cheek.

Also one of the first few lines threw me on the identity of Scully was: "I feel like I'm back in 'Nam." It reads like they meant to start with Skinner, changed their mind and then never changed the line - it could also be tongue in cheek I suppose, but it was a bit too jarring for me for that.

I love a lot of the language and lyricism the most.

Examples:

"I read too much.

"I think too much.

"I talk entirely too much.

"I do nothing."

and I also like:

"Maybe she can't smile anymore, maybe they took that away from her too. They took her future, and now they've taken mine, but you can't weigh oocytes with paper files - it isn't a fair trade."

Plus the pace of the story is a lot of fun, it surges ahead quickly, which for me allows the metaphors to fall quickly without too much thought and analysis. The second read reminded me of a few that stuck out by the first read was smoother.

I also like that Mulder and Scully feel as though they are seething and hardened in this. I did not catch this story back in the day, but it's exactly the kind of raging that I wanted after The End. The stunned silence in the episode is lovely too, but I wanted the rougher part of the mourning, and this fits the bill quite nicely.
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2011-10-22 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with nearly everything you wrote here. Does that mean I can skip commenting on this story? Never mind.

I don't have a problem with her characterizations exactly but I don't normally enjoy stories where the characters get drunk and have sex. Since that is the plot, it doesn't leave me much to comment on that's positive that hasn't already been mentioned. The lines you quoted are great, the ending is great. The sex did seem silly but I feel that way about most sex scenes in fanfic and profic.

The line about "'Nam" takes me out of the narrative every damn time I read it. I'm glad it wasn't just me. I love the idea that this started out as Skinner/Mulder and morphed into MSR. That story would have been hilarious and hot and no, I do not ship them at all.
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2011-10-22 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
This is the only version of this story I've ever seen. The following quote is the only time the hangover fairy gets mentioned. Twice in one story would have been a bit much.

But the problem is that when I woke up it was all going to be the same, the happiness fairy was not going to come along and sprinkle happy-ending dust all over everything and make it all go away. Instead, I was going to get a visit from the hangover fairy.

I don't have a problem with the characterizations or the language. I don't care for the plot, however, and the sex scene seemed silly. As you know, I feel exactly the opposite about most stories featuring drunken sex. This one didn't take it too seriously, which was a relief. It just does nothing for me. Scully's "nothing nothing nothing" doesn't do it for me either. Sex is ineffable, isn't it? I'm glad you liked it.
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2011-10-22 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
I really feel at a loss here. I don't have a problem with the characterizations. The writing is mostly great, although as you say, it gets a bit over-crowded in places. I love the ending. The sex scene just doesn't do it for me. I simply don't like stories where the plot is for them to get loaded and have drunken sex, so skipping over the sex doesn't work either since that's the plot.

Oh well. I did start rereading Iolokus on the plane coming home and thought it was great. Better than I'd remembered, even. I just finished part three.
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2011-10-22 02:22 pm (UTC)(link)
(That said, I do have issues with Scully in Iolokus, but in this story I can put them aside and buy Scully here pretty much without reservation.)

Any idea why that might be? Because neither character matches up very well with canon!Scully. (Neither of the Mulders do either but since no one here seems inclined to bring that up, I guess I won't either. Oh wait. I just did. Oops.)

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Re: in general

[personal profile] wendelah1 2011-10-22 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Ultimately it's that feeling of existential crisis, shock and haplessness and the suppressed violence of their desperation, that I value in this fic. And the fact that it was written that summer, before FTF, is very important to my enjoyment of the fic. It's a piece of X-Fileana, something penned at a precise moment in x-files history, when the past and the future had both been razed to the ground, and once again nothing was certain, everything was forced into transition, and anything was possible.

I can value this story for what it is: an artifact of a particular time in XF fandom. I like certain lines. I don't think it's badly written, quite the contrary. But as a whole, I admit it does disappoint me. I'd never read it again, that's for certain. Maybe it would have worked better for me if it had had a plot of its own, if it had been part of a larger whole, as opposed to being what it is and what it was clearly intended to be: a short, first-time msr, a drunk-fic post-ep for "The End." Reading your analysis (excellent as always, by the way) reminds me of how off-kilter I am in how I see fic and how non-mainstream my fannish opinions (and my own writing) are as a consequence. It's a comeuppance and probably one I deserve.

You must have deleted your comment at the same moment I replied to it.
Edited 2011-10-22 23:31 (UTC)
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Re: in general

[personal profile] wendelah1 2011-10-22 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I replied to your deleted comment instead of this one. Whoops.
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Re: about mulder's section

[personal profile] wendelah1 2011-10-22 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Oblivious to my dark thoughts, Scully taps along next to me, playing Ganymede to my Cassio. Or whoever. The 12th Night brain cells are not responding to anything coming from the server.

There are three different plays in the quote: Ganymede is from "As You Like It," Cassio from "Othello" and "Twelfth Night" is the title of "Twelfth Night." Unless I'm missing something, I think it's just further proof of Mulder's inebriation and Mustang Sally's love for language and literature.

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