[identity profile] frey-at-last.livejournal.com 2008-01-26 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe I shouldn't start off the discussion, because I only read the first 1/3 or 1/4 before I got tired. But I will!

I stopped because I guess I could just tell where it was going -- a dark trip to a world where none of the characters actually like each other and everything unravels in ugly and violent ways. "Interesting" and "a mindfuck," maybe, but at some point I can't recognize the characters as themselves, and I know things will just get worse and worse (so the tension of "will they fix this? CAN they fix this?" dissipates), and I might as well be reading something else... I realize that other people can be sustained in it, however, and maybe at one time I would've had the interest/patience. It's too bad, because these two authors can teeter on the line between "edgy" and "too much," and still produce very engaging stories, but I think they fell off on this one.

[identity profile] bardsmaid.livejournal.com 2008-01-27 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
...at some point I can't recognize the characters as themselves...

This is always one of the tipping points for me, and unfortunately I'm picky enough that I hit this point much more quickly that most readers. When I read fic, it's because I want to peer more deeply into the characters I know so well, and care about. Once they morph into variations, I lose interest... which makes me pretty unfit for fic reading, for the most part, I guess. I'm not out to spoil anyone's party, btw; it's just how it hits me personally.

Even when I'm up for some XF theater-of-the-absurd, as I was the other night when I reread the Krycek humor classic My Little Demons (http://www.iyam-fic.com/ratales/mylittledemons.html) (wherein Krycek is visited by God, who insists that Krycek clean up his act and turn his life around), lack of clear canon characterization grates on me. If only Krycek sounded like, well, the real Krycek, I was thinking as I chuckled my way through the story, this would be perfect.

I'm hopeless, I know.
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2008-01-27 08:57 am (UTC)(link)
When I am writing, I am very concerned with trying to stay close to canon. Although I do have some ideas for AU, they are more plot-driven, than character-driven. I will read anything, though, as long as it is entertaining. This story was certainly that.

[identity profile] bardsmaid.livejournal.com 2008-01-27 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Hope I haven't gone on for too long; I didn't mean to lecture.

Oh, no. Quite to the contrary, it helps immensely to understand how other people approach fic, so thanks for taking the time to explain how you see this.

Personally, I'm not just interested in canon-compliance; it's an absolute pre-requisite for me. Which I guess explains my puzzlement when I first read fic and couldn't quite understand why people were enthusiastic about stories that I just couldn't get into because they presented the world of the XF (and more importantly, the characters) as, well, not the ones I'd been watching on-screen.

All of which explains a lot, I think, about why I rarely read fic. The vast majority of authors and readers are, I believe, like you--interested in alternate approaches to the subject matter.

All this doesn't mean, of course, that I don't have my own selectivity when it comes to canon. I have not just episodes, but entire seasons that I'd prefer not to believe, which is why my Sanctuary series begins in early Season 6 and veers off in its own direction. Likewise characters: to me, the Seasons 2-5 Krycek who intrigues me (by turns nervous, cocky, manipulative, terrified) is a very different animal than LateSeasonsKrycek, who is inscrutable, calm, always in control... and who holds no interest for me at all.

Anyway, thanks again for your explanation. All this just goes to show how very many approaches there are to fic, and how that translates into preferences and trends within the fandom.
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[personal profile] leucocrystal 2008-01-28 07:23 am (UTC)(link)
Very interesting stuff! I'm more in tune with [livejournal.com profile] bardsmaid though on this one; canon compliance is the sticking point for me. I suppose that's why so few of the fandom "classics" don't appeal to me at all (which would explain, as we've probably discussed before, why I can't drum up half the enthusiasm or interest it would take to ever finish, say, Iolokus).

I can admire those, I suppose, who try to veer from the norm and pave their own way, even if I don't have any interest in reading such things. I wish I could simply be entertained by this approach, as Wendy is, but there's always that niggling bother in the background that snags for me, every time.
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2008-01-28 08:24 am (UTC)(link)
I would rather have stories that were told well, than stories that complied with canon. I just want the writing to be great. I want to have my brain explode. My favorite writer on livejournal, who does not write in this fandom, by the way, is [livejournal.com profile] synecdochic. Her story for Stargate Atlantis, freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose is the best story I have ever read in any fandom. I don't even like the show, but I love this story. I certainly don't ship the pairing, and I don't care if it is canon compliant, because that is not what this writer is about. She is about the language and the story, and the characters she is creating, which are infinitely more interesting than what the show was doing, anyway. I guess I love good writing and good story-telling more than I love any television show, even The X-Files. I will read anything if the writing is terrific. I don't just mean fan fiction, either. I read widely in any case, it is my favorite hobby, my first love. I need books like some people need water.
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[personal profile] leucocrystal 2008-01-28 08:32 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's just due to a different approach to reading in general. If I don't have an interest in the characters, the quality of the writing itself can only do so much for me. The same applies to original fiction. I OD'd quite a bit on reading when I was younger (as you know, I started quite early), so now I'm much more particular about what I like. Probably not the best approach, but it works for me.
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2008-01-28 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
I am asking this just to clarify. Reading no longer gives you pleasure, in and of itself. Only a fairly narrow subset of reading material of any kind holds your interest. Does that sound correct?
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[personal profile] leucocrystal 2008-01-28 09:28 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I probably should've been more clear the first time around. I do still love to read, I'm just pickier than I used to be. I used to read just for the sake of reading, but now I'm much more discriminatory. Frankly, my new job environment perpetuates this, which is fine for me. It's not just good characters; I need interesting plot, well-done prose, or that rare kind of writing that sort of... transports you. Sadly, there's just not that much of this out there, that I've come across anyway.

That said, being picky has its perks. I rarely spend time on books that I don't enjoy, so when I do finish something, it's a good experience. Also, I don't rush read as much as I used to, either. It's more leisurely now I guess, and I never read more than one book at once.
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2008-01-28 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I am always reading about twenty books at a time. I read very quickly, too, unless I am reading strictly for content. I read a little bit slower, then, I guess. I have a very good visual memory, or at least I used to.

If I didn't have anything else to read I would be reading the back of the cereal boxes. Fortunately, in my house that will never be a problem.
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2008-01-27 09:16 am (UTC)(link)
It is a dark story, but I think it was told very much on the surface of things. I never got very emotionally involved in the fates of any of the various universes, or in their versions of our characters. It felt very cold. It is a story that I can admire but not love, and not one that I can see rereading for pleasure. The closest novel that I can think of in tone might be "Lolita," which is techically brilliant, and very disturbing but which I also found to be quite cold. I thought that Jess M.'s "The Other Man" was a much darker story, and one that I felt very involved in and rather devastated by even the second time around.