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wendelah1 ([personal profile] wendelah1) wrote in [community profile] xf_book_club2013-02-18 02:05 pm

Rerun Request: "Oyster" by Jordan

This is a rerun, posted at the request of [livejournal.com profile] estella_c, who loves it and wasn't a member when we discussed it back in 2008. I love it too, and think it's well-worth revisiting.

Like all great western religious stories, "Oyster" takes place in the desert, in the modern day stand-in for Sodom and Gomorrah, Los Vegas, a land of waking dreams, endless heat and unquenchable thirsts. In her author's notes, Jordan states emphatically that "THIS FIC IS REQUIEM FREE." This is rather misleading; in actuality, "Oyster" is a re-envisioning of the end of season seven, and to a limited extent, season eight. The parallels are multiple and striking. In both stories, there are deaths and multiple abductions. There is an investigation in which Skinner, Scully and, of course, Mulder are all major players. To say any more would spoil the story for new readers. While "Requiem" inspired a lot of fanfic, "Oyster" is one the best stories ever written for The X-Files fandom. I recommend it without reservation.

Read "Oyster". You can also find this story on her author's page at Gossamer. Please come back and let us know what you think.

[identity profile] emily-shore.livejournal.com 2013-02-18 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Fantastic! Certainly one of my all-time favorites as well (as you could guess... it takes a lot to bring me out of retirement).

Thought it might be worth linking to the first discussion (http://xf-book-club.livejournal.com/3203.html), since we had a lot of good insights that time around.

[identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com 2013-02-18 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem then becomes: can we possibly live up to them?

Onward and backward.;-)

[identity profile] emily-shore.livejournal.com 2013-02-24 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know whether I'll be able to come up with any fresh insights but I'm certainly keeping an eye on the discussion. :)

[identity profile] jouissant.livejournal.com 2013-02-19 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
Scully would love, too, to swim with dolphins in the pink sea foam,
to lie naked in the grass and count the stars. But when the world
is a nervously bobbling balloon floating high and aimless overhead,
someone must stand on the ground and hold the string. Someone who
brushes her teeth every morning and wears pajamas every night and
does her homework and knows which side the knife goes on when
setting the table. Someone named Dana, who has never had a
nickname, never skipped a period, someone who can be trusted to
hold that string however hard it tugs and burns her fingers.


This paragraph! Oh, Scully.

Okay, I'm only to here, but I will be back.

[identity profile] mementox.livejournal.com 2013-02-19 07:30 am (UTC)(link)
Going to go read this.. I use my ipad for most things and reading text files always looks funny, so I usually convert them to ePub (ebook) format. I converted this fic, if anyone wants to read it in that format let me know and I can send you it.

Off to read!

[identity profile] mementox.livejournal.com 2013-03-06 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I LOVE THIS!

I got into XF when I was 11 (which I guess is an awkward time in any kid's life) and I was kind of an awkward, scaredy-cat kid, really unsure of myself. Scully honestly changed my life, she was such a strong female character and there was a serious shortage of them on tv, IMO. She inspired me to assert myself and stop being so scared of everything. I will love her foreverrr

[identity profile] mementox.livejournal.com 2013-02-19 09:16 am (UTC)(link)
Ummm.. I have to second memento1's comment in the original post (and the similarities in our usernames made me laugh). I really felt like this fic was kind of over-my-head. I mean, I GET it, especially after reading the comments in the first posting, but... it's just not my cup of tea. I was really confused and had to read sections several times. It reminded me of Penumbra's work, very poetic but almost kind of... excessive? I don't know what the right word is. I'm not very skilled at analyzing writing. I felt like I needed a master's degree to read this. :-/

[identity profile] mogster495.livejournal.com 2013-02-19 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Oyster reminded me of JET more than Penumbra. Penumbra writing is very poetic, but I dont get lost in the imagery (of Penumbra's work) like to do with JET or Jordan.

[identity profile] mementox.livejournal.com 2013-02-19 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh, I've never read either of those authors. Penumbra's the only one I've read that was kind of poetic. I haven't read fic in yeaaaars though.

[identity profile] mementox.livejournal.com 2013-02-19 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, so I thought about this a bit more. I think another thing that bothered me in this story was Scully's character and all of Skinner's internal dialogue about her. Scully seemed to be just there, not doing too much, and I got tired of all the sections of Skinner pondering her looks or her unbuttoned shirt or whatever. The ending, with the whole "woman is a vessel" thing, bothered me as well. I just hate the whole trope of a woman getting pregnant with a miracle baby or savior or whatever. IDK, I just like Super Strong Ass-Kicking!Scully better than Standing There While Men Gaze at My Body!Scully.

[identity profile] newo-fic.livejournal.com 2013-02-19 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with many of the comments stating the similarity in the the poetic, imagery-esq writing to Pernumba's work. I was a bit confused, and about 3/4 of the way through I think it finally clicked in my head and the imagery was appreciated, instead of leaving me thoroughly confused, though it may be worth a reread in order to completely sit with me. All in all, I liked it (didn't love it, but that's ok). It leaves everything a bit open which is completely fine, but just not my cup of tea. But I appreciated the ScullyAngst over a missing Mulder, loved Skinner's role in this, and thought the sex scene was hot. Does anyone know if she wrote a sequel or follow up?


Also, my apologies for not being around for the lasts several discussions; RL projects forced me to take a break from fic.

[identity profile] mogster495.livejournal.com 2013-02-19 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
The character’s observations were really strong. How Scully looked at Skinner’s arm in part 4 is very convincing. Sometimes, I have a hard time convincing myself of a Scully/Skinner relationship (mostly because my preference for msr is so strong), but that paragraph about his bone structure really struck me. I could see real attraction sprouting from that.

Men can't pretend that kind of gentleness; it's either there or it isn't. Great line and so true.

The start of Chapter 7 is a particularly moving paragraph. It is so real, because sometimes waking thoughts have such a surreal reality to them. The following is the first ‘dream’ passage that sets the tone for the rest of the story.

What if time had weight? That would mean it could be stretched and pulled out of shape, which would offer scary potential for distortions, but it would also mean that it could be proven to exist, that it isn't a human construct. Not like consciousness. How can consciousness ever be proven to exist, she wonders drowsily, if it has no weight?

This chain of though is almost nonsense, but it carries such a strong feeling. Keeping in mind that Scully is a scientist, it seems strange yet profound for her to have these thoughts, and we know right away they are coming from outside her character.

This may be reaching, but this whole story was reminiscing of all the Stephen King books I read in high school. I saw elements of It and the Dark Tower. The Dark Tower images seemed pretty heavy for me, especially the Man in Black.

Overall, this was a trip to read. The ending was so bittersweet, and very strange. The narrator implied things that are so powerful in the context of the story. The author did a great job maintaining tone. The abstract contradictory thoughts of the narrator were very powerful. The writing was highly poetic, and the imagery was very strong.
There is a lot more I can say about Oyster, but I just don’t have time. I’ll finish by sayings it’s elegantly written, original, and moving. Great read.
Edited 2013-02-19 19:50 (UTC)

[identity profile] mogster495.livejournal.com 2013-02-19 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Why can't I use italics!

[identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com 2013-02-19 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I couldn't help responding. Every time I use italics, I can't stop! They go on for paragraphs, very inappropriately. I sound hysterical.:-)

[identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com 2013-02-19 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for these very interesting comments. I just want to say I envy you because YOU FINISHED THE STORY. I am getting slower and slower and now I must make supper.

Later, promise.

[identity profile] newo-fic.livejournal.com 2013-02-20 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved the passage about what if time had weight. idk why, but the whole thing just struck me.

[identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com 2013-02-20 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a challenging one. And so many ways to start.

Earthy: Jordan adores Skinner. How to get him into bed with Scully without betraying Mulder and grossing out the msr contingent? Alien intervention!

Practical: This tale could be viewed by the salacious as a three-way. How to raise the tone? Literary style! Fortunately, Jordan's style, while literary, never seems to me simply decorative or showoffy. There are so many things a talented earthling like this writer can do that leave the rest of us both stunned and satiated.

Responsible: Jordan does not write smut biscuits. Therefore, we have here a real x-file, one of course never to be written up, and a second case about casino fraud and murder that we don't care a lot about but is a minor delight in its brisk resolution.

Okay, I'm abandoning the Cyrano riff. (Wendy said I had to talk; oh the pressure!) I'll go on record that Oyster is a great fanfic, one probably of the top three, maybe four, wait, oh hell I don't believe in numbering art anyhow. This is art.

The secret of the style is that it is consistent; we are immediately placed in an enchanted pocket environment, observed from without by an unidentified narrator. We (and it) watch Mulder and Scully eating oysters and listen to them discuss Proust. This is not Carter country. We learn that Scully really digs Mulder. We learn that Skinner digs Scully. The atmosphere is heavy with humidity and human desire for both money and sex. The temperature fluctuates, constantly reminding us of our bodies as the silken language titillates our minds.

Mulder disappears. He has, as he manages to hint through a fellow abductee, been kidnapped from reality. Unlike the other victims--the poor, dead maid, the maddened Tracy and John--he can deal with that. One leg in, one out, he balances and retains his identity. In one of many dream-hallucinations, Skinner sees "Mulder in the projection booth." He wants to return to Scully and make love to her. Skinner wants him to return and make love to Scully. Skinner also wants to make love to Scully. It all works out.

Someone said that no one ever really dies in science fiction. And we can surmise that everyone gets laid in The X-Files, as if fanfic hadn't informed us already. Oyster, however, is special.

Oh: in the original version on Jordan's site (?) there were some fabulous illustrations. As for the Dark Man, yes, he appears in Dark City (great flic) and also in the Buffy ep "Hush," which is the best thing they ever did. And Stephen King. EVERYTHING is somewhere in Stephen King.

I suspect Los Vegas in inherently surreal. Tim Powers did wonderful things with it.

[identity profile] mogster495.livejournal.com 2013-02-21 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
Earthy. Yes that is a great way of describing it. It was very earthy, and Las Vegas is a great setting for earthy tones. The contrast between the city and the desert surroundings does a good job of emphasizing the earthiness.

[identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com 2013-03-12 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, I didn't mean that the story is itself earthy. I meant that the (frivolously) intended purpose of pulling off (oh, dear) a threeway is earthy and enters into the creative challenge. Although I can't be sure that was Jordan's overriding purpose. It probably wasn't, given how wonderfully moving the event was managed, as if the writer had entered some kind of trance.

Still, Jordan was a Skinner groupie.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-06 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the rec- loved the imagery and the ambiguity in the story and the poetic style... more thought provoking than the average fic and i couldn't put it down... Great characterization too, skinner in particular, that is so humanizing despite the less conventional pairing. Wish there were a sequel.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-06 06:14 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for running the site - getting back into the series after a decade+ hiatus and just love that there are gems like these to discover, when I thought I had read most of the more noteworthy entries from back in the day. Fic has always been one of the best parts of this fandom, but it's also seriously hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.

I agree for the most part that the ending is great as it is... Without being overly explicit there is still an explanation about the central mystery, and there is enough to suggest that Mulder will return to the physical plane of existence in due time. Maybe an epilogue is what I'm after - just a glimpse as to the fallout from the knowledge that Mulder acquires, and how well Mulder and co handle the results of his "puppetry." But I suppose any good story will leave you wanting more... Here's hoping that the new season will conclude in much the same way.