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wendelah1 ([personal profile] wendelah1) wrote in [community profile] xf_book_club2013-08-13 09:26 am

Story 228: "Original Sin" by Syntax6

She's back. "Original Sin" is [livejournal.com profile] syntax6's long unfinished WIP, abandoned in 2008 after six gripping chapters. To my surprise and delight, she has returned to fandom, and over the past few weeks, posted the remainder of the story. She updated her website, too, adding a half dozen or more stories in a new fandom. It looks good.

It's post Fight the Future, and Scully has moved to Utah. Unfortunately for her, the X-Files followed her there. She must not have noticed that the state emblem is a big old beehive. Poor Scully. When will she learn? Tags: NC-17, mytharc, casefile, M/O, S/O, MSR, chipfic, Samantha, horribly absent & hugely apologetic author.


If you haven't already, email her some feedback, then please come back and let us know what you think.

Remember, the nomination post is always open for your suggestions.

Read Original Sin

[identity profile] newo-fic.livejournal.com 2013-08-13 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
For whatever reason, this was one of the few syntax stories that I never read back in the day when I discovered her work. Maybe because it was a wip? Not sure. But I happened to be navigating her site recently and, poof, it had changed and updated! Was a nice surprise! So when I saw her comments about this story, I jumped right in.

Now, having no idea what "changes" she made to the original flow of the story, I cannot say whether I like this version better or not, but I definitely enjoyed this story. I appreciate the quick-reaction characteristic of Mulder that she highlights in that he didn't bring any real luggage with him, and the way in which Scully revealed the truth, step by step to Ruben, and I felt his reactions were exact. I really liked the twist with CSM, didn't see that coming, and the tie in with Redux II. And the balance she found with Scully's feelings toward Fowley was appropriate (she distrusts her but isn't too overtly bitchy about it). And, of course, I loved all the M/S interactions (awkward and otherwise).

I'd say the only thing I didn't like was the last chapter. Sure, its nice to tie up everything, but it felt a bit rushed in certain spots, like she was just ready to be done with it. But otherwise, I really enjoyed the read!

[identity profile] mosinging1986.livejournal.com 2013-08-14 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, goodness, I loved her writing back in the day! I'll have to check out the site when I get a chance. Thanks for the heads up.

This fandom ain't dead yet!

[identity profile] dasku.livejournal.com 2013-08-14 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
!!!!

I never thought she'd be back!! Fantastic news!

*off to read*

[identity profile] echynoderm.livejournal.com 2013-08-16 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
I really enjoyed this fic, Syntax is a great writer :)


[identity profile] echynoderm.livejournal.com 2013-08-20 10:29 am (UTC)(link)
I liked the 'ordinary', if you can call it that, way that Samantha was found. I thought the way cloning etc was played out was also very plausible and canon. Mulder is always chasing after one Samantha or another (and simultaneously one truth or the other) but never knows for sure who or what is real.

Syntax puts Mulder in a particularly difficult position in the end, and although cruel, I like to see how characters respond in tough situations as I believe this reveals a lot about them. In this case, Mulder is forced to accept that he has in fact lost his sister, something he has arguably been in denial about for most of his life, and move forward.

Other stuff too, but it's a start :) words are failing me... :p

[identity profile] syntax6.livejournal.com 2013-08-20 03:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess I'm too tender-hearted with the characters. I have a tough time with stories that add additional misery to their lives.

Remarkably, I am too, which is why I pretty much got off the XF train at Je Souhaite. I guess we all draw our own lines, though, about what constitutes too much misery. *g* I do think that the XF is essentially, at its core, a tragedy. There is no happy ending. At best, maybe peace. So if I am to be true to that essence, I have to reflect that sensibility.

But I do try to balance the misery. Here, the Samantha storyline has a horrific outcome in some respects, but Mulder also acquires a new generation of family, and with them, perhaps, a chance for the redemption that he was never going to get after Sam disappeared. He is also reunited with Scully, his other family, and has the XF back under his control. I think he is no more unhappy than he was at the start of the story.

[identity profile] syntax6.livejournal.com 2013-08-20 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
But what happens to Jeffrey Spender? More importantly, how is it now Skinner's decision to let Mulder have the X-Files back when it wasn't his decision to take them away in the first place? Did Skinner get promoted over Kersh in your universe--if so, I missed that.

No, you didn't miss anything, as the FBI shake-up that occurs in the wake of CSM's death and Diana's disappearance is "off screen" as it were. Diana was the one protecting Spender's spot on The XF, so we can presume he lost it now that Mulder is back in charge.

But my main problem with the ending is I think the trauma of Mulder killing his sister is too easily overcome by both Mulder and Scully. I think they would both feel immensely guilty, feelings that I believe for a time would interfere with their romantic relationship, maybe even with Scully choosing to come back to DC. I don't like how easily everything fell back into place. Mulder and Scully are together. Yes, it neatly balanced out the misery, but it also made Samantha's death less of a tragedy and more of a plot device. I do like his connecting with Samantha's kids.

I think that's a fair argument to make, and I certainly can appreciate where you are coming from. I think for me, and for Mulder in this story, the reason that murdering Samantha at the end was not as guilt-inducing or heart-rending as you mention is that those emotions were already diluted by time, clones, and distance. One of the over-arching points of the story is that the basic tragedy actually occurred when Samantha was abducted at age 8. Mulder lost her that night and was never, ever going to get her back. Even at the end, he has to pick which adult version to mourn: the killer or the victim, with no assurances that either one is his "real" sister. He killed her in the present but she had already been gone for decades. This has the general effect of blunting his emotions. He might feel more guilt about leaving the two little kids without a mother. Of course, at this stage, their mother was also a raving homicidal maniac, so... ;-)

Two points I do think might have gotten short-shrift in the story are Mulder's reaction to learning CSM is his father and Scully's decision to return to Washington. It's always a tough call how much to include after the action has stopped (in this case, with Mulder's shooting of Samantha). Estella makes an interesting point that the story might be stronger if it stopped right there. It certainly would be darker, that's for sure!

As far as my feeling disappointed with the story, please let me assure you, I don't. I don't consider it a failure, either, not at all. Flawed, yes, but still an excellent read and an intriguing premise, one that even leaves open the possibility of a sequel. Your dialogue, your original characters, the way you weave together plot and romance, the delicate way you deal with their feelings. All outstanding. All to be cherished and adored. Your Mulder and Scully come as close to canon as I have ever read on a page. I love them, I do, just as much as I love the characters on screen.

Thanks very much for the kind words. I will always love Mulder and Scully, although these days my relationship with the source material and with fandom is a lot more thorny than it used to be back in "the good old days." The parts of the show I loved disappeared a long time ago, and these days, the parts that bring fandom squee are usually not my cup of tea. I don't feel at home here the way I used to.

Here is the thing. Good stories with interesting problems are better for discussion than perfect stories. As a writer myself, I learn more from discussing good but imperfect work. That's why as moderator, I chose to post "Original Sin" over "Scavenger," which is pretty damn close to perfect.

Oh, it's not that perfect either. None of my stuff is. It's just easier for me to see and deal with after I've had some distance. Picking apart OS still feels a little raw... Give me six months and I'll happily dice it to pieces! ;-)

[identity profile] echynoderm.livejournal.com 2013-08-22 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks, I'll check it out :)

And, I'll give, it was particularly horrible!

[identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com 2013-08-17 01:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, Syntax6 is back! Guess I must come back too.

This is a good, powerful story with great ideas and some pacing flaws, IMO. I'm not ready to say much more. Digesting.

One memory that fell over me while reading was that sense of iron-hard Greek tragedy achieved so successfully in "To Carthage Then I Came." How many Samanthas? How many warped compulsions? Will Mulder ever be free? This is a softer, kinder story but those twins: food there for confusion and argument.

It was nice to see CSM bleeding on the floor.

[identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com 2013-08-20 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
It may be reader's burnout, to which I am subject after twenty years of obsession, but I found OS a bit overly long and the ending, in particular, was oddly and hesitantly paced. Still, Scully and Mulder do end up together. And they have sex, twice, which I suppose is what I meant by "softer, kinder." But you must admit that anything would have been softer and kinder than FCTIC. Which is actually a fantastic story, but sheer horror.

I skipped the sexy bits. Burnout.

Mulder of course did what he had to do--what he had done on the bridge--and maybe the story would have been stronger cut off there, with a brief addendum showing the two together in the basement. The will-she-or-won't-she attenuation of Scully's decision struck me as a little soapy.

The most interesting part of OS was the creation of the tormented twin Samanthas: one the mother of CSM's children, one a self-destructive stripper. (In my mind, anyone who goes to Vegas is self-destructive.) Were they real or highly developed clones? If they were real, was the extra one adopted--and then married, yuck--by CSM? This story really does an interesting thing with our familiar old baddie: we see him (through Diana) in psychological free-fall, failed in his career, addicted to his hideous private sins, fully deserving of retribution. I had no compassion for him, but I felt very sorry for the Samanthas and for Mulder, confronted with such a situation and forced into such an act. Yep, it's a pretty tough tale. Samantha was better off "in starlight," even if I thought that an idiotic resolution.

Syntax6 continues to be a very entertaining line-by-line writer, and her secondary characters were first-rate. OS also is piquantly open-ended, leaving open the possibility that somewhere, doing something weird, is yet another Samantha. We may not want to meet her. Still--shades of Iolokus!

[identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com 2013-08-21 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Do we know who killed Vegas Samantha? Did I miss it? Wouldn't be the first time.

I wanted to say that one thing I appreciated about this story is the honoring of that Fox/Samantha scene in the diner, which I considered a great, poignant scene. Chris Carter apparently didn't think it was very important. The guy never did figure out what he had.

Don't overthink my minor criticisms. Syntax6 is a top talent, and I'm thankful for her loyalty.

[identity profile] infinitlight.livejournal.com 2013-08-21 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Do we know who killed Vegas Samantha?

The other Samantha.

[identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com 2013-08-22 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Lord, I guess I'll have to go back to taking notes.

the OTHER, other kids

[identity profile] bmerb.livejournal.com 2016-07-16 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I also wondered about that too: "But the kids of the other Samantha, the one who'd married the FBI agent, wouldn't they be his relatives, too."

What happened to the two kids that Samantha "Annie" Milgram had with the FBI douchebag? those two would be Mulder's nephews/nieces too (whereas the two orphaned by the Stephanie/Samantha and CSM are both his nephew/niece AND his 1/2 siblings. 3/4 siblings? er, something anyways).

So yeah, no interest in connecting to the other two seemed a bit strange and grated against me while I read it.
Edited 2016-07-16 21:08 (UTC)

[identity profile] addison zella (from livejournal.com) 2015-09-14 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
What is FCTIC? I liked this story, but agree about the rushed ending. I also kind of skimmed over the supporting bits and stuck with the Mulder - Scully storyline. I found this paragraph particularly astute:
"He didn't say hello when he called because he fully expected her to keep up with the conversation, even if he was starting in the middle of it, and he didn't say good-bye, not when it mattered, because for Mulder things were never truly over.."

[identity profile] syntax6.livejournal.com 2013-08-20 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks first for all the thoughts and comments. It is always humbling and rewarding to be read so closely. I do spend a lot of time as a writer trying to remind myself that it is preferable to produce an interesting failure than a boring success, although usually I need some distance from said failure before I can make myself believe it. ;-) I am sorry for disappointing this time out.

I think it's challenging to find anything new to say in XF anymore, but I thought this story had a few kernels that were not at least done to death, so I figured it was worth finishing for that alone. Plus, I felt terrible leaving it hanging. I can let go of that guilt at least.

Readers are agreed (here and elsewhere) that there are pacing issues, but there does not seem to be agreement about where or how. It would take me some thinking to try to figure it out -- maybe another five years! ;-)

[identity profile] infinitlight.livejournal.com 2013-08-21 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I think "disappointing" is way too strong, people here are critical (nitpicky? :) because it gives us something to discuss--parts we liked, parts that didn't work for us or whatever. Even if I really liked a story, I try to look at flaws or possible flaws (or perceived flaws :) just because it's interesting to talk about. It doesn't mean the story as a whole is unsatisfactory. I enjoyed it very much.

[identity profile] echynoderm.livejournal.com 2013-08-22 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
I agree. I for one certainly didn't find it disappointing :)

[identity profile] newo-fic.livejournal.com 2013-08-22 03:14 pm (UTC)(link)
No disapointment at all!! I was so happy to see you back, and to read a story that I had never seen before from such a great writer. It was like a Christmas present! And a great one at that because I just loved this story! I love the way you write the characters, I have always loved your original characters, I liked the CSM bit at the end (I don't want to be too spoilery), the confrontation with Samantha, the well-balanced animosity between Diana and Scully, and the sexytiems!! The only things I didn't care for was the pacing of the last chapter, but that is not necessarily a writing issue and may be a reader perception problem.

So glad to see you back, and can't wait for what you have in store!!

[identity profile] syntax6.livejournal.com 2013-08-22 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the kind words, [livejournal.com profile] infinitlight, [livejournal.com profile] echynoderm, and [livejournal.com profile] newo_fic. Honestly, I do truly believe it's interesting and important to discuss aspects that did not work in a story. I learn more that way, so I am always grateful for a diversity of opinions. I appreciate everyone's thoughtful comments.
Edited 2013-08-22 16:59 (UTC)

Everyone's a Critic!

[identity profile] addison zella (from livejournal.com) 2015-09-19 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
I love your stories! It's a pleasure to read an x files fic that not only has a well-planned plot, but great use of language while staying true to character. Few things make one feel more vulnerable than putting a piece of writing on display for the whole world to comment on. I don't take criticism (even constructive) well, but art is so subjective. Everyone reads your stories from a unique perspective so naturally, they form opinions. Keep on truckin' girlfriend.

[identity profile] infinitlight.livejournal.com 2013-08-21 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] newo_fic and [livejournal.com profile] estella_c mentioned pacing problems, which I have to admit I didn't get. Maybe I just like things wrapped up at the end. I didn't feel the need for any more expansion, and it feels this way as though some elements are left open for us to imagine ourselves (Scully's return to the X-Files, for instance).

[identity profile] echynoderm.livejournal.com 2013-08-22 07:36 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with this as well. I would rather a story be concise and have a solid basis than too drawn out for the sake of it. I thought everything was tied up pretty nicely with this. Sometimes even though we want to know more about what happens it can become too much and in some ways disappointing because it isn't how we imagine it to be, if that makes any sense.

[identity profile] mogster495.livejournal.com 2013-08-26 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
There are some technology inconsistencies with the timeline. Videos phones and phones that can read email would not have been common in 2000. Though the technology existed, it would be unlikely that everyone would be using it and so comfortable with it. The first video cell phone was introduced in late 2000 in Japan, and it was a few months before it was available to Americans. The most popular phones were still text screens.

I though the character of Ruben was pretty lame. I feel the interactions between him and Scully were a little to 'reality TV drama' for my taste. One thing I loved about the X Files was it's lack of petty drama, and all Ruben's character brought was unnecessary angst that seems out of place with her character. Ruben could be replaced with a stronger character, or eliminated all together without taking away from the story.

There was defiantly suspension built up, and I thought it paid off nicely. The ending was a strange mix of creepy and sad. It was definitely a full story and there were a lot of elements to keep up with. Syntax really built up the world complete with new and old characters.
Edited 2013-08-29 01:56 (UTC)

[identity profile] syntax6.livejournal.com 2013-08-26 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the overall message here is that the problems are myriad and muddled. Once again, I'm sorry -- for you and for me -- that the experience was not more enjoyable. Perhaps I should have left well enough alone, as I am certainly regretting it now. It's kind of like leaving the ladies' room and having someone tell you that your skirt is tucked into the back of your nylons. Oops! Unfortunately, I've no easy recourse to remedy the error(s). Thus I am forced to walk around in perpetual embarrassment. *g*

However, one note: I am aware I was pushing the boundaries of cell phone technology. I did not care on this point. Call it poetic license!

[identity profile] mogster495.livejournal.com 2013-08-29 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't mean to be so negative.

I did really like the story and I enjoyed reading Original Sin. The phones stood out, because I remember my first experiences with video phones and smartphones and I was blown away, and I am certain that was after 2005. I thought it was weird that everyone in the story was using them willy-nilly with no references to it being 'new' technology. I guess after years of being saturated with the technology, we kind of take it for granted.

My opinion of Ruben is more rooted in my interpretation of Scully. Sometimes I have trouble seeing Scully as a feminine character, and whenever I see her become emotional over men it annoys me. That's my opinion rather than a critique though.

I really did enjoy the rest though. The PI was well developed and I was very sad when her partner died. It was particularly disturbing to see a Samantha that is cold and manipulative, but a good kind of disturbing. It's like imagining someone we want to love but finding out they are less than perfect. I love stories with Samantha because she is such a blank character (really) and we can give her whatever personality we want.

[identity profile] discordantwords.livejournal.com 2013-09-03 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
Hi there. I've been reading my way through the XF Book Club recommendations, although I have a tendency to be reclusive and hesitant about jumping into discussions. (I'm working on that!) This seemed like as good a place as any to dive in, as I've always loved Syntax's case files and was absolutely delighted to see that she'd returned to Original Sin.

I enjoyed the fleshed out characterization of Diana, a much-maligned character who really never got a fair shake, from fans or 1013. She's easy to hate because she causes trouble between Mulder and Scully, but there was always such potential there for the character to add richness and depth both to Mulder's history and to the overarching conspiracy story. Too often I think she was trotted out as a plot device when a story called for friction or distance between Mulder and Scully. Syn always takes pains to make Diana a person and not just an evil ex-girlfriend caricature, and I really appreciate that.

I loved the Mulder/Scully interaction and the poignant note the story ended on. I understand why Scully made the choice she did regarding her chip, even if the uncertainty of their future is a little bit heartbreaking.

I would have liked to spend more time with the Samanthas, though. Which one was real? How many more are out there, waiting to be discovered? The idea of one Samantha (whether she herself is the original or a clone) discovering and eliminating another was fascinating and something I could have happily spent more time exploring.

It was nice to see Syn back in the game and I hope that we'll have more to look forward to.

[identity profile] bmerb.livejournal.com 2016-07-15 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
just getting started on this, but loving it so far. and the occasional line like this one: ""Poor baby!" She raised a leg and gave Dot a money shot she hadn't really needed." BAHAHAHAHA!

[identity profile] bmerb.livejournal.com 2016-07-16 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
i read it all, thoroughly enjoyed (as others already said) all but perhaps the pacing of the last chapter. i particularly loved NOT knowing what was going to happen, wtf was going on with samantha/stephanie, the deal with the smoking man, etc.

Syntax6 writes some awesome casefiles, with a deft feel for characterization and dialogue that feels *right* with canon (or at least the seasons/parts of canon that i care about at all), and as you have said, sex scenes that don't make me cringe.

i'm a bit like a platypus, part noromo and part shipper. or rather, i'm a shipper but i'm interested in the big picture, so stories that revolve around sexytimes drama aren't particularly gripping, but stories exploring the complexities of interaction along with casefiles are fantastic (hence my ability to thoroughly enjoy Iolokus and Tikkun Olam despite ALL THAT SEX).

so yeah, i certainly enjoyed this, despite the pacing of the last chapter, and as i already said somewhere, i'd like to know what happened to Mulder's other nephews/nieces, the children of Samantha (Annie) Milgram, and why didn't he pursue a relationship with them as well? I *liked* Ruben, wouldn't mind knowing what happened to him more too.

off to read more sytax6 fiction, now that we've moved cross country! apparently there is a "perfect" one called Scavenger?? its not on her website so where could I find it?

[identity profile] bmerb.livejournal.com 2016-07-20 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Still stuck trying to figure out what Mulder's relationship to the two kids would be. Half siblings through CSM (just like Samantha is to him), and then, ummm... 1/2 uncle to them via Samantha/Stephanie? So, some bruncle? Oh yes, very very Greek. And you are right about the final chapter for a number of reasons. I pretty much blanked it out since it was dissatisfying, particularly after such a gripping read the rest of the way through. HOWEVER, that said the rest of the story made up for that final chapter IMO, so worth the read!