Date: 2008-01-26 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frey-at-last.livejournal.com
Maybe I shouldn't start off the discussion, because I only read the first 1/3 or 1/4 before I got tired. But I will!

I stopped because I guess I could just tell where it was going -- a dark trip to a world where none of the characters actually like each other and everything unravels in ugly and violent ways. "Interesting" and "a mindfuck," maybe, but at some point I can't recognize the characters as themselves, and I know things will just get worse and worse (so the tension of "will they fix this? CAN they fix this?" dissipates), and I might as well be reading something else... I realize that other people can be sustained in it, however, and maybe at one time I would've had the interest/patience. It's too bad, because these two authors can teeter on the line between "edgy" and "too much," and still produce very engaging stories, but I think they fell off on this one.

To Repair and Transform the World

Date: 2008-01-27 05:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wendelah1
This was really good. It wasn't what I expected from the discussion thread. I expected something incoherent and disorganized. I certainly didn't have any trouble reading through it. I thought the plot seemed to weave itself pretty consistently in and around the sex scenes. I didn't think that the sex was the plot, exactly. The sex functioned as more of a marker or a sign post, for if things were going badly in the bedroom, one could be assured that things were really going to hell outside it.

The story starts with an unusually gruesome murder that unless I missed the solution remains unsolved by the end. In the course of the crime investigation, Mulder gets a chance to play God. He meets a sexy scientist who has discovered a way to go back in time, via the conscious retrieval of a memory.(I know, but just go with it) He decides to try to fix something that went wrong in his world. One would think he would go back to try to prevent Samantha from being taken. But no, instead Mulder decides to try to save Scully by alienating her back at the very beginning during their first case together.

Instead of saving Scully from her fate, he wakes up to a world in which she is dead, killed in her apartment at the hands of Tooms, because Mulder wasn't there to save her. Do you recognize that plot? Bingo! Yes, It's A Wonderful Life. So, he goes back in time again to try to repair the damage to their partnership, and this time he wakes up to a universe where Scully is fucking Krycek. And things only go downhill from there. Mulder goes on to betray Samantha to save the world or Scully at least two other times (how biblical!).

There are some terrific moments along the way:

She was a bruised peach with thick mascara and she was obviously still fucking Krycek. It made me wonder what I had done for this to happen. Hey, universes may pivot, it's always my fault; my guilt is an art form.

Then there is the universe where he is having threesomes with Scully and Krycek: "this must be the oral sex universe." And so on and so forth.

Now, this would all seem very improbable and OOC, but what universe does all of this happen in? Why ours, dear reader, the universe of fan fiction. There is no sexual permutation or perversion in this story that I have not previously read or at least read about in many other stories. In fact, compared to some fan fiction, this was fairly tame. At least all of the kinky sex in this was consensual and served a thematic purpose.

The story does come full circle, right back to the opening scene. The only thing that has changed is Mulder. Now, he knows the truth, that he sought in vain through so many universes and episodes and seasons.

You don't get to choose who you love. You only get to choose how.

And this time, you have the feeling he is going to do it right. Besides, as this story conclusively demonstrates, things could always be worse.
Edited Date: 2008-01-27 05:46 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-01-29 11:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dictatorcari
leaving aside any issues of the plot making sense (i maintain that no story with time traveling or alternate universes--let alone both--ever makes sense), i'm still not sure how i feel about this one. i committed two full days to getting through it, and there just wasn't enough payoff at the end to make me feel like it was worth it. i may be biased (i'm a hopeless shipper), but after all that cruelty i wanted to see a little more warmth. the mulder and scully of the first and final scenes--theoretically, the "real" mulder and scully--were far too mean-spirited and self-centered to be the characters i know. it didn't seem grounded in truth, at least characterwise.

and one more thing: good lord, could there have been any more similes in that thing? it was driving me crazy.

Date: 2008-02-15 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathwatchlove.livejournal.com
This comment is super-late to the discussion, but oh well. It took me a long time to get through this fic. For one thing, I didn't start actually reading it when it was posted; I skimmed the first few paragraphs and wasn't really sure I wanted to keep going. But then I went with it, and I'm very glad I did. I ended up skipping a lot of the sex (not because it offends me or anything, there just was so much of it, even if a lot of it was at least in some way plot-advancing). Related to that though, the build-up to the Hunter/Mulder/Scully section was amazingly well-written, I felt. Ideas of multiple universes, and of those universes bleeding over into each other is very intriguing to me, and I kind of enjoyed the fact that in places it was hard to follow who's point-of-view the story is being told from.

I'm pretty glad that I made myself read it over the course of several days, because I don't think I would have appreciated it as much if I'd tried to digest it in one sitting. Also, the fact that I drew out the reading process made my finishing coincide with a close friend of mine telling me that I reminded her so much of another friend of hers that she believed he and I were two separate parts of the same person.

So so late

Date: 2016-08-19 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bmerb.livejournal.com
Years too late here, nearly a decade in fact but... And WOW this xf bookclub has been going on for nearly a decade. How awesome is that?!?! But I digress.

So Hunter and Fox. Or Hunter IS Fox. Clever use of names there. I think Wendy is right, this HAD to have been something of a crack at or parody of the overlapping and multiple worlds of xf fanfiction as well as a bizarre slipping of universes and times within plot.

I don't have much intelligent to add other than I really thoroughly enjoyed this one. Dark but well plotted, confusing, interesting, thought provoking, and oh-so-twisted. I love that there is an alternate universe Krychek who is nice and mostly normal and does dinner (and sex of course) with Scully. And the variations on Samantha. And Hunter, oh geez what a screwed up character, the epitome of what Mulder's could have become without any scruples. Her only love is self love, which is also love of Mulder who is herself. And my doesn't he learn a lot about himself through her, his deep base desire to be humiliated and shamed and redeemed all at once. So dark but somehow that aspect seems just only slightly off the edge of canon to me. I love that Mustang Sally and RivkaT write M and S as though they actually have to cope with all the traumas of their lives, WITHOUT the weekly reset button!

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