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We are still talking about "Butterflies All Tied Up." Discussion is being moderated by [livejournal.com profile] amyhit, who bravely agreed to post the story. Please jump in, as I love to be told when I'm wrong. Come on, long-time lurkers, you know you want to.

Throughout our little first time sex scene series, I've continued to puzzle over what makes a sex scene -- sexy -- to me. This story isn't exactly a "guilty pleasure" story, since those mostly involve Mulder/Scully/Krycek and/or paddling (giving a whole new meaning to the term "crackfic"), but I will say I found the sex scene really hot. The first time I read it, I thought I was going into ventricular fibrillation, my heart was beating so rapidly. As always, sexy is in the eye of the beholder, so no guarantees you'll require resuscitation. It's also a great noir mystery story, full of twists and turns.

From the author's note:

Q. So what's this story about, anyway?
A. It's a noir-ish tale where good people may do bad things, bad people may do good things, and sometimes it might not be possible to tell the difference. The lucky ones live to tell about it.
Q. Yeah, but do Mulder and Scully get to have sex and stuff?
A. Yes.
Q. Wait, that was too easy. This sex, do they have it with each other?
A. Totally possible.
Q. When they're not having sex, what are they doing?
A. They're caught up in a murder that cuts very close to home. The investigation reveals truths about each other that they may never have wanted to know.


Read "Bait and Switch", then come back for discussion.

Since all of her stories are not at Gossamer, here is her website: home of the slugslayer.

Never fear, someday I will resume recs from the nomination post, so keep them coming.

Date: 2010-08-15 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jouissant.livejournal.com
Oh my god I just read all the way through, and it's late and I'm delirious, so will actually make a discussion post tomorrow. But I really loved this, loved the twists and turns of the mystery. I am not always a fan of flashbacks and multiple points of view but I think both elements were handled pretty seamlessly here.

(And the sex scene was totally hot.)

Okay, more after I get some sleep and let it percolate.

Date: 2010-08-15 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bachlava.livejournal.com
There's a lot that I could say about this fic, and I'm short on time now, but I did want to get in that [livejournal.com profile] syntax6 is now on my vey, very, very short list of fan authors who can actually handle case files. (Although she does make the mistake of thinking that "Requiem" et al. actually happened, which, of course, is not correct.;)

Scavenger

Date: 2010-10-18 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiger-bay.livejournal.com
Wendelah, you have just made my day! I thought I had read everything by Syntax6 but I have never read Scavenger. Could I please have the link?

I am just reading all the posts here that I have missed in my absence and finding some gems...an unread story by Syntax most definitely qualifiies!

I remember her saying at one point that although it takes times she always finishes her wip's, although I am beginning to lose faith in "Original Sin". I only got into fanfiction once she had started this story, so like you, I checked her website every day for months until I finally gave up. How ironic that I should only start doing this once she is no longer active. I really, really hope she finds her way back to it...


Date: 2016-08-04 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bmerb.livejournal.com
Can I get a copy of scavenger still??

Date: 2010-08-15 09:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] amyhit.livejournal.com
augh, Syantax, why must you so often write things with Diana in them? what's that, because she's canon? well, yes, i suppose. i confess, i felt heartened when it was revealed that Diana was dead. not so much because i want her dead, as that i just don't want her to exist in the first place.

however, i'm only twenty five pages in at the moment, and am by no means confident that she actually is dead.

otherwise, so far so good.

Date: 2010-08-15 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bachlava.livejournal.com
i felt heartened when it was revealed that Diana was dead. not so much because i want her dead, as that i just don't want her to exist in the first place.

I agree, except that I'm less nice and actually did want her dead. I suppose I don't have a problem with wishing death on fictional characters who annoy me - which she really, really did. It's to [livejournal.com profile] syntax6's credit that I managed to enjoy a story in which Diana played such a major role. I think the characterization (moral and personal) is spot-on, which helps a lot.

Date: 2010-08-16 06:25 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] amyhit.livejournal.com
that meta? hilarious. and from what i've seen, pretty darn accurate.

though it has zero effect on my dislike of Diana's character, because my dislike of her character is based on my feeling that she is entirely superficial to and out of place in the x-files story - she just doesn't mesh. at all. i don't hate her. yes, i am a bit jealous of her, but i would never hate a character just for that.

Date: 2010-08-17 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bachlava.livejournal.com
That was a clever bit of meta, and quite fun! That said, I don't like Diana any better than I did. I thought the introduction of a long-standing distrust-mixed-with-sexual-jealousy element into the plot was a bad idea, period, whether from the perspective of a 'shipper, a noromo, or a fence-sitter. Basically, the relationship between Mulder and Scully was the heart of the show (regardless of how one conceptualized/wanted that relationship). There was plenty of room to complicate it, but a full season's worth of Mulder's seeing Scully as a jealous shrew while an obviously untrustworthy, and tedious, caricature of a femme fatale leads him around by his dick... not the way to do it. Chris Carter was right when he said Mulder and Scully's dating lives didn't have a big place on the show - he shouldn't have second-guessed himself, IMO.

I also thing Mimi Rogers is a terrible actress. She's got that Scientology practice of maintaining a direct stare and flat, commanding tone at all times (yes, that's something that Scientology trains its followers to do), which really doesn't make for a good dramatic performance - cf. many of Cruise's and nearly all of Travolta's movies post-1990-ish. I'm guessing that, had she played a completely different character, I would feel pretty much the same way.

Date: 2010-08-17 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bachlava.livejournal.com
We may have to agree to disagree on whether sexual jealousy was involved, yeah. I thought the undercurrent (USJ, maybe?) was strong, and disliked it - and I didn't want official canon MSR until the finale! But even putting that aside... you're right that Scully also hesitated to trust Mr. X and Deep Throat. Mulder was guarded with them as well, as he was with Marita, which was another part of the difference. Another part of it may have been that their roles were small but important - like salt in a recipe. Diana's role was big, by XF standards, and I guess, for me, that was like using salt more like a main ingredient than a seasoning. Of course, some people like more salt than others, and some people like salt more than others.

Clarity failure on my part - Scientology doesn't have an acting academy (to my knowledge); it's something they train all their members to do once they reach a certain "level," and it seems to affect, negatively, the performances of those who are actors. (I used to live near Clearwater, FL, where Scientology has its big HQ, so I wound up seeing some of the weirdness. That particular thing always jumped out at me as being creepy as holy living frack.) Mimi has put in a few strong performances - mostly before she got to a high "level" - which is probably why she can still find work, IMO. But I digress...

As for the idea of someone else in the role... I think I would have disliked the plot and overall character dynamic implications, and disliked them unequivocally. But the level of "seething hate, get that thing off my screen!" might not have been involved - assuming that the alternative wasn't, like, Bai Ling...

Date: 2010-08-17 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizabethannfic.livejournal.com
I have to agree.

I cringe when Diana is onscreen. Not because I believe Mulder should have no romantic past, but because I think the character was poorly written and ill-advised. She was a trope and thrown in to disrupt the partnership. Boring. I really disliked her, but I'm not adverse to a really well written fic in which she plays a staring role. Perhaps it is easier to take when we all now how it ultimately played out in canon.

This is a much more interesting back-story for her and it helps explain Mulder's trust in her and his deep sense of betrayal as well. That he is willing to side with Scully when he believes she may have shot Diana speaks to where the true loyalties lie.

Date: 2010-08-17 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bachlava.livejournal.com
Throwing in an ITA on all this. This is a much more palatable Diana backstory and Diana-Mulder relationship than canon gave us. It's also, I think, a much better resolution to the overall Diana plot than canon ultimately provided - again, barring the fact that "Requiem" Did Not Happen. But that last bit might just be me.

::: waves hello:::

Date: 2010-08-22 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for the kind and thoughtful words. "Bait and Switch" was a lot of fun to write, so I am glad other people got something out of the reading experience too.

As for why Diana crops up in so many of my stories, Wendy has it exactly right: there was so little to Diana on screen that it leaves open many possible variations of her character. This makes for interesting plotting. I do agree that her character was not handled well in the series, but there certainly were intriguing elements to her. For example, she predated Scully's arrival so she had access to a version of Mulder that Scully never saw. Also, her motivations were never entirely clear. Was she working with Mulder? Against him? Both at the same time? How much did she really know about the conspiracy as a whole? A fic writer can take almost any answer to these questions and run with it; that's the beauty of Diana's character.

And yes, frankly, one of the fun bits about including her is that she makes Scully -- and the readers -- jealous or angry. Emotion is really what drives a story, even a plot-driven type story like the kind I write. So any time you can tap a powerful vein like that with only two words -- "Diana Fowley" -- you have struck narrative gold, my friend!

Cheers, syntax6
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Date: 2010-08-17 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizabethannfic.livejournal.com
The sex is poorly timed, and that *is* what makes it kind of hot.

The misunderstandings surrounding the sex make it even more heart wrenching, however. Scully believing she has just given up her last mystery, and therefore, made herself less interesting, made me ache a little bit. It was believable Scully POV for me, which I sometimes think is harder to pin down than Mulder POV. On the other side of it, Mulder wondering whether the chip had somehow brought her to his bedroom and whether she remembered it at all--gah! That slayed me.

It ends happily enough (except for the threat of cancer and Mulder's disappearance) with them together, so we know this was all resolved, but I also would have been happy had we not known that some of these aspects were tied up between the two of them. We have ample evidence that these two leave a lot unspoken, so unresolved would have been fine with me. Maybe I just enjoy the angst and delayed payoff too much.

Date: 2010-08-17 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizabethannfic.livejournal.com
Fitting in AU into the canon is incredibly impressive. This is an amazing fic. I was hooked in a way I haven't been by an X-Files fic in quite some time, especially a case file. I'm beyond impressed.

Date: 2010-08-22 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frey-at-last.livejournal.com
This is the thing that REALLY excites me when Syntax stories show up - not just the well-written casefile and interesting emotional conflicts, but more than anything the sheer fun of seeing her fit the story right into canon. Theoretically these are stories that could have been happening right offscreen, and they usually add a completely plausible and really intriguing twist to the interpretation of the real episodes.

it's XF; there are no happy endings ;-)

Date: 2010-08-22 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'll echo Wendy and say that, for me at least, this is not a happy ending. But as Scully realizes during the story, there is not likely to be a happy ending for her. Either she keeps the chip in and remains a pawn in the game, or removes it and takes the very real risk that the cancer returns. We gather it doesn't by the end of the series, but who knows what happens in the future? She may yet go the way of Penny Northern. In addition, by 'saving herself' through the chip removal, Scully dooms Mulder. Diana finally does right by Mulder, but her actions end up being for naught.

On a positive note, neither Mulder or Scully go to jail for murder. That's something! :-)

Cheers, syntax6

Date: 2010-08-18 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com
I never finished this story before. I started it as a wip, then put it aside and got distracted. This is unacceptable. You must keep up with Syntax6.

The interweaving of plotlines was stunningly competent. Maybe a shade too competent for me. I too would have appreciated some time stamps. Also, um, what Bellefleur detail?

Diana is a fascinatingly ambivalent character and ripe for this kind of carefully realized revelation. It maintains her mystery that we see her from several pov's at several points in time. (I don't think we ever actually know what she's thinking, although we can absolutely believe that she's "always thinking.") Syntax handled her *far* better than canon even attempted to.

I think much of the contempt focused on Diana is a result of the perceived cynicism of 1013 in deliberately muddying the relationship waters. Though--no, Wendy--I didn't think much of Rogers's acting. It's true, however, that many decent actors were hampered in their performance arcs by not having any idea what Chris Carter had in mind for them.

This treatment of Scully's chip and her terror of it was hard-hitting. The only other fic I can think of of comparable quality to deal with the issue is Kel's The Beginner's Guide to Tightrope Walking, which had a lighter tone (though the subject matter was equally heavy).

I sense that I'm stating the obvious here. The sex scene was great, tight, edgy. Glorious "first times" are mundane.

Every once in a while I noticed a missing word. I say this not in criticism but in awe. Syntax6 has, through years of practice, become a writer who is a fluid, effortless stylist. She can write fast because she can trust herself to write well.

I just hope she can find it in her heart and schedule to give us more.

Re: Lots of spoilers here, kind of

Date: 2010-08-18 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com
Thank you. Bellefleur was hiding in plain sight. Talk about your tragic foreshadowing.

When I said "glorious" I really meant "easy." First times should be excitingly difficult and uncertain. God knows OMAN's are. And I would say that Tesla is right up there with Syntax6.

I wonder, in this fandom, if it's ever really possible to stop talking about sex.

Re: Stop talking about sex?

Date: 2010-08-18 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com
Of course I read the Magdeleine piece. You made me. It made me feel quite...predictable.

Hey, Rogers still gets work. She had quite an interesting part in a weird Jeff Bridges movie: The Door in the Floor.

Date: 2010-08-22 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for the kid words, and sorry about the dropped words and typos. I do go back and fix them periodically when I find them. It is a long-running problem for me, as I am dyslexic, and thus I do not see mistakes as easily as I might otherwise. It's cursed problem for a writer to have!

I agree about the time stamps. If I were writing this over again, I would probably include them.

As for more fic, the answer is...well, maybe. This discussion has inspired me to dust off "Original Sin" and I've actually done some work on it this week. I may just finish that one yet. ;-)

Cheers, syntax6

Date: 2010-08-22 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frey-at-last.livejournal.com
Re: "Original Sin" - YAAAAY!

I have a serious thing for Scully-leaving-Mulder scenarios, but they so RARELY pop up as good stories by capable writers, so when you started OS, I thought my life would be COMPLETE. And now that-universe Mulder and Scully have been following me around for a long time, making me sad. But this is not a guilt trip! *g*

Date: 2010-10-18 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiger-bay.livejournal.com
BEST NEWS EVER!!
We all wait, trembling, with bated breath, and I mean that sincerely

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