Story 182: "Up the Ladder" by rivkat
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Fall is here, though you'd never know it by the temperatures in SoCal. I read "Up the Ladder" in 2007, when I was new to the fandom. It's novella length, at 30,000+ words, but wow, it is a fast read. I would have pegged the word count at half that or less. It was originally posted in 1997. Yep. This is old-school fanfiction at its best.
Summary: Marita comes through for Mulder, giving him what he wants most. But twenty-five years haven't brought as many changes as he might have thought, and her gift might be more dangerous than anything he's faced to date. And what's up with those bees? A potpourri of Conspiracy elements with many old favorites present. Note: Almost everything here about bees is actually true, except for the parts that are just paranoia.
"Up the Ladder"
The link is to AO3, where you can easily leave feedback for our author, but you can read this at her website or at Gossamer if you prefer. Leave your suggestions at the nomination post. And don't forget to let us know what you think.
Summary: Marita comes through for Mulder, giving him what he wants most. But twenty-five years haven't brought as many changes as he might have thought, and her gift might be more dangerous than anything he's faced to date. And what's up with those bees? A potpourri of Conspiracy elements with many old favorites present. Note: Almost everything here about bees is actually true, except for the parts that are just paranoia.
"Up the Ladder"
The link is to AO3, where you can easily leave feedback for our author, but you can read this at her website or at Gossamer if you prefer. Leave your suggestions at the nomination post. And don't forget to let us know what you think.
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Date: 2011-10-05 02:24 am (UTC)DON'T do as I did, google search the fic, and start reading the version posted at x-files.bytewright.com, because for some reason it's ten thousand words shorter than it ought to be.
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Date: 2011-10-08 11:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-08 11:56 am (UTC)It's a good story. I like the bee plot and the canon-compliant use of Krycek and Marita. I like that it feels very much rooted in the old school, like
I'm not so fond of the development of Scully and Samantha's relationship and the background M/S. Neither of them rings particularly true for me--I have awkward feelings about Scully accepting Samantha as a substitute for a child of her own, and although the M/S relationship is really background to the story it's too sweet for me.
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Date: 2011-10-12 04:05 am (UTC)I don't see Scully's taking on parenting Samantha as stemming from her own desire for a child, although I can see how Rivkat kind of set it up that way by bringing up her infertility. Doesn't Scully say at one point that she gave up the X-Files and took on the responsibility because Mulder needed her to do it? That she saw it as a sacrifice? Anyway, in reality as opposed to fic, if her doctor had thought she was going to become infertile from the treatment, they'd have offered to harvest her eggs and create some embryos and deep-freeze them if she'd wanted. Whereupon she'd have discovered she had no ova because they'd already been harvested and now this is an entirely different story which reminds me of canon in an unpleasant way.
I think Scully's parenting of Samantha is meant to set off alarm bells. I mean, Samantha isn't behaving the way a normal kid of nine would behave, because she's not normal. She was taken over by an alien consciousness and then frozen and then defrosted. Scully's accepting Samantha's good behavior at face value seems very naive to me but her denial is classic. Scully is being manipulated by the alien even before she is taken over by it.
I'm not sure if the MSR is background. M&S both spend a lot of time thinking about it. It's hard to decide which is the A plot and which is the B plot and by the end, Mulder's feelings for Scully and hers for him are driving the plot any which way you slice it.
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Date: 2011-10-09 04:01 am (UTC)I keep reminding myself that this really is old school fic. It doesn't feel nearly as old school to me as a lot of fics do, probably because the writing is so sharp, and the entire fic (plot and characterizations) are quite radical. Though not as radical as some of Rivkat's other fics.
I'm liking the bee plot. It's creepy and has a disturbing kind of plausibility that many mytharc stories don't have. Plus the way it's written makes it very clear and intelligible without it feeling dumbed down. I suspect (and hope) this story was begun immediately after Zero Sum aired. It's a very cool example of fanfic that takes the dropped threads of an important plot point and runs with them.
The Scully/other thing was tough for me, but when I think about this fic probably having been written before the end of S4, it suddenly seems a lot less of an extreme possibility that Scully would go off, get cured of cancer, and develop feeling for her doctor. The bit about Scully immediately taking in Samantha as a substitute child is troubling to me too,
But as always, the thing I like about Rivkat's writing is the way she seems to experimentally push Mulder and Scully's characterizations to extremes in order to reveal certain hidden truths about them, and in order to discover what things about them remain true in the stress she puts them under.
There's a kind of glibness and insensitivity with which her characters reflect on things, that makes for some interesting observations, of themselves, others, and the patterns of the XF narrative:
Mulder knew that Skinner saw Scully as some sort of embodiment of truth, justice, and the American way -- "nymph, in thy orisons be all my sins remembered," or something like that.
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Matt doesn't need to know that everything I say to him is the absolute truth."
Suddenly there was no more pain in his throat; the words came smoothly. "I think that's the most awful thing you've ever said to me. I can't believe that you wouldn't respect yourself enough to wait for someone who'll demand the truth from you every time."
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Not for the first time, he wondered about the connection between Deep Throat, Mr. X, and Marita. How did they decide -- the one who gets the short straw has to tantalize, mislead and succor Mulder until he or she is killed? What wheels within wheels were turning at the UN, the Pentagon, the NSA?
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Yes. It had been easy to imagine that, when Sam came back, everything would be perfect and he'd be whole. The rotten foundations of that lie had been exposed by her return, and he hadn't quite managed to construct another myth to explain his existence.
Or my personal favorite for creepy shippiness at it's finest:
"Why do you look at each other like that?" Samantha asked him when Scully was putting away the leftovers.
"Like what?"
She shrugged and looked away, squirming on the chair. "I don't know. Like you want to hit each other, but not really."
Mulder laughed, immediately shocked at how bitter the noise sounded. "Tell you what, Sam. As soon as I figure it out, I'll let you know."
None of the characters look so nice under the light this fic shines on them, but for the most part I think they are still in character, which is what I find so interesting.
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Date: 2011-10-09 07:58 am (UTC)I'd be interested to hear what you think.
None of the characters look so nice under the light this fic shines on them, but for the most part I think they are still in character, which is what I find so interesting.
RivkaT doesn't show her characters a lot of sympathy, either in story angst or in exploring their characterization. It's interesting to me because a lot of fic writers seem to try to see/explore the best in the characters.
I like that creepy shippiness excerpt, as you say it's creepy but kind of accurate. I'm not sure how well it works coming from Samantha.
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Date: 2011-10-10 03:23 am (UTC)However, the workings of the plot and some of the concepts to prop it up are paper thin and unnecessary. I can see where the author said, "I need to make sure Mulder tries to leave now" or "I need to make sure Scully gets custody of Samantha" or "I need a reason that Mulder has had his head fucked with" and as a result I will try this machination to get there, but the machinations are not well blended with what we know of the characters or how such a thing would work in the real world so they stick out without flowing naturally as part of the story. Some examples:
1. Scully's fiance: I don't need to know his name or anything about him because he's pretty much there for one reason - to fuck with Mulder's head. Mulder tells us, but we do not see, that he makes Scully sparkle and the fact that Mulder has to tell us this but we do not glean it from the story says a lot about the lack of attachment the readers and Scully really have with this guy. I like that the author manages not to get bogged down in the 'the guy's a jerk' cliche - other than vague references to him being a bit paternalistic - but it doesn't move beyond 'obvious plot device to fuck with Mulder and introduce the possibility of Scully leaving'. I can see Scully having a relationship with other people, but this one is just done so halfhearted-ly that the reader sees that he's just there to be an obstacle not a character and not a particularly serious obstacle at that.
2. I can see Mulder being Mulder and leaving, I can even envision a situation in which Mulder ditches Scully by going back to the X-Files without her, but the way this is set up again did not make me believe it. It felt like a forced plot point.
3. The legal scenes: None of this rang true and I will avoid a lengthy rant on the subject, but no one would care if Mulder wanted custody. The State would be unlikely to get involved. Also, there is NEVER a reason for your lawyer to not talk on your behalf in court. EVER.
4. The Gunmen's random suspicion of Scully also felt a bit forced to me even at that point in the series.
Ultimately, I guess I wanted more of the x-file in this one and less of the attempts to examine the Mulder/Scully relationship as a result of the x-file because it just didn't work for me.
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Date: 2011-10-12 01:45 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-12 10:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-12 03:03 am (UTC)Things I like:
- I think my favorite thing about this fic is how cinematic it feels. There are so many scenes that make me wish it could be made into a movie, because it would be absolute dynamite on the screen. Particularly the scene where Mulder comes over and discovers Scully has been possessed by the oilien, the scene where Mulder lets the oilien trade Scully's body for his, and the entire scene in the desert with the bomb going off behind them and the bees trapping them in the car as they speed away.
- Mulder and Scully's relationship: I like that the fic has a few very striking nods to their UST, and that their mutual codepency and dedication to each other is always a strong undercurrent of the story, but that it doesn't take a staring role. Ultimately, despite the major upheaval going on in their partnership, Mulder and Scully are all business. One of my favorite moments of the fic is when Mulder does the body swap with the oilien:
Its mouth -- Scully's mouth -- was inches from his face.
"Transfer has to be accomplished somehow," it said. "Isn't this
appropriate?"
"Fuck you," he said, low and harsh.
"Do you want me to tell you that she wants you? That she
wakes with your name on her lips and her hands between her legs?"
"Scully," he said, looking at her lovely mouth and not at her
swirling eyes, "if you can hear me, I know this isn't you."
It chuckled and pulled his face down.
Maybe what the oilien says is true. Maybe it isn't. It's certainly shocking, but there are way more important things going on, and it doesn;t bear thinking about. I also really like the twist that Mulder is brainwashed too, so when he seemingly bares his heart by saying, "There is no one but Scully," there's the question of how close those sentiments are to his own.
I like that in the course of the fic their relationship goes from being seriously in question, to more united than ever, but that there's no real resolution - no kiss on the lips, no token RST gesture.
- The scene where the bees swarm the mouse. It's horrible, and I actually think it's creepier than showing the bees swarming a person, like in Zero Sum. Zero Sum never made me cringe, but this one little mouse did. And the fact that it's Scully who is in charge of this disturbing demonstration makes the scene all the more unnerving.
- Scully actually gets to do something awesome as a scientist and manufacture a pheromone to ward off the bees. But even more than that, I love that she makes sure samples of the pheromone are sent all over the place, so that it can't be destroyed. This kind of strategic thinking was all but non-existent in TXF - clumsily ignored because the writers didn't seem to want to have to follow through on any of their plot threads. It's vexing to be reminded of the weaknesses of canon, but well worth it, for the chance to read fanfic that has Mulder and Scully protecting their evidence and broadening the scope of their ambitions.
- The fics explanation of the mytharc. It must have been great to have watched the show back where there was still any hope that all the pieces of the mytharc might somehow fit together. Speculating on the answers must have been a lot of fun. I love the explanation of the black oil as an entirely separate kind of alien that is inhabiting the greys, just as it plans to inhabit us. It's creepy, and it makes sense, at least until S5 mytharc comes along.
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Date: 2011-10-12 03:03 am (UTC)- I generally like the M/S relationship, but I do agree with
- This line: She wanted to fix him, so desperately that she'd do anything, but it was going against the laws of nature to hope for success. I don't think Scully has ever wanted to fix Mulder. Not that she doesn't hurt for him when he's hurt, and want to protect him, but the whole Florence Nightingale bit is so not her.
- Krycek refuses to give Scully the code to postpone the bomb, because he claims he'd rather die than risk colonization by the black oil. But from everything we've seen of Krycek, this is totally unrealistic. Krycek values his own skin first and foremost, and he's waaaay to used to being used and manipulated to be so terrified of black oil possession.
- Krycek just happens to be able to drug Mulder and implant suggestions in his head? Marita risked her life to give Mulder back his sister, merely because she's into him? Scully somehow guesses that 'sunflower seeds' is the code to the detonater? I'm not buying it.
- Krycek and Mulder are far to chummy. I know that many of the M/K shippers buy into this kind of thing no problem, but it just seems ridiculous to me. They're enemies. He's a murderous traitor. This witty sparing (practically flirting) thing they're doing is way too casual. Mulder isn't five; I'm pretty sure he's capable of hating someone for more than five minutes without getting bored and wanting to be friends again.
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Date: 2011-10-12 10:31 pm (UTC)I'm okay with the character of Dr. Max Rafferty, and with Scully falling in love with someone other than Mulder. I'm uncomfortable with an oncologist falling in love with a patient he's actively treating, dating her and presumably taking her to bed, an ethical dilemma that's not commented on. I agree that the romance is there solely to create conflict between Mulder and Scully. So what? This is a story. Without conflict there is no plot. To call that sort of storyline contrived goes against my instincts as a writer. I suppose I want to have the latitude to tell the stories I want to tell and so I try to give other writers the benefit of the doubt.
I really liked that the name of the oncologist comes from Skinner. His role in "Zero Sum" put him right in the middle of the conspiracy, doing the dirty work of the CSM, supposedly to get a cure for her cancer. I like how this ties back to that episode. Marita Covarrubias played a role in that episode too, and this story is making me want to go back to re-watch it, maybe tonight! Marita tells Mulder the reason she's helping him is because she believes in his work. The alien's assertion that it's because she's got a crush on him seems preposterous but consider the source.
I don't have a problem with Scully's agreeing to be the guardian for Samantha. Now I don't know squat about how family court is run in Virginia or anywhere else but given the dramatic license the show takes with--everything--any inaccuracies in this story seem trivial by comparison. I do think we are meant to feel uneasy about their relationship. Samantha isn't a normal child. I was pretty thrilled about her turning out to be an alien host because I did not see that coming. I love being surprised by a writer and Rivkat surprises me over and over again in "Up the Ladder."
The only plot element I can think of that I didn't like is the Mulder family psychodrama. I can't see Mulder as a survivor of a physically abusive father. That became a fanfic cliché at a certain point, one I don't personally care for.
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Date: 2011-10-12 11:19 pm (UTC)I agree with pretty much everything that tied this to Zero Sum, I thought that episode had so much more potential than CC and Co ever gave it. Also, I agree the Mulder family psychodrama stuff is also pretty weak.
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Date: 2011-10-14 02:34 am (UTC)Since you didn't care for "Up the Ladder," one of the better fics by one of our best authors, I'll be interested to see what stories in this fandom you do enjoy.
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Date: 2011-10-14 03:05 am (UTC)Another clarification - there were parts I liked about this story, the x-file, the Samantha return plot line, etc., but I had quibbles too that I mentioned above, but won't rehash again.
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Date: 2011-10-15 02:53 am (UTC)Yeah, the idea that Scully would go for that rings false with me. Not that I'm shaking my finger at her. It's not her fault that Max wasn't being professional. I just don't think she'd have a relationship with this guy in this circumstance.
The only plot element I can think of that I didn't like is the Mulder family psychodrama. I can't see Mulder as a survivor of a physically abusive father. That became a fanfic cliché at a certain point, one I don't personally care for.
Normally this would have bothered me more, but I pretty much just wrote it off as rivkat writing like rivkat, i.e., giving her character an even more fucked up internal life than he already has. But no, I don't see Mulder as a survivor of a physically abusive home life either, beyond maybe a belting now and then.
Good conflict is created when the obstacles are believable and real. I cared not a wit for Scully's fiance or what it did to Mulder because it was crystal clear that he was there to fuck with Mulder and not to last.
I feel like that was kind of the point. The thing that Max brings to the story has more to do with Scully than Mulder. Scully spends two months away from the x-files, forms a relationship with this man, believes she cares about him, and he proposes. It's an idealized "normal life" being offered on a platter. Yet there's no substance to it, it's a plot device she made for herself, and she lays it out for Mulder to see how it tracks with reality, but it doesn't take. She returns to work, to Mulder, and she's spookier, a bit more 'abnormal', than she's ever been.
The part that throws me (in fact it's probably my least favorite line of the fic) is this:
"How can you love someone so much who doesn't believe in the things that are most important to you?"
He took a deep breath through his nose and closed his eyes. "It's not that hard," he said.
I'm not buying that she loved this guy. I'm not even buying that she thought she might love him. I'm certainly not buying that she'd say so to Mulder. I can buy that she thought Max might actually love her, and that she wasn't thinking about it beyond that, but that's about it. I think Scully is not the type to use the word love in anything other than the most intimate or grave of circumstances. (unless it's about family)
I also take issue with Mulder's response to her. The implication is obviously that he loves her. Which is fine, but since when does Scully not believe the things that are most important to him? Sure, she doesn't believe in the specifics, but she's always believed the most important parts. She believes in finding the truth, she believes in exposing corruption and deciet, she believes in the work even if she doesn't believe in Mulder's explanations to individual cases. And in this situation she's come back because of her belief in their work.
It's like this part was written purely because it seemed like a sharp, clever soundbite, rather than because it actually fits the characters.
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Date: 2011-10-17 03:05 pm (UTC)She certainly doesn't love him enough to give up the X-Files and leave Mulder. I thought she was speaking about Max not believing in the things that were important to her, since that was ostensibly the reason she left him. Mulder is arguably her best friend in the world at this point. If she can't talk to him about Max, who could she talk to?
I also take issue with Mulder's response to her. The implication is obviously that he loves her. Which is fine, but since when does Scully not believe the things that are most important to him? Sure, she doesn't believe in the specifics, but she's always believed the most important parts. She believes in finding the truth, she believes in exposing corruption and deceit, she believes in the work even if she doesn't believe in Mulder's explanations to individual cases. And in this situation she's come back because of her belief in their work.
It's like this part was written purely because it seemed like a sharp, clever soundbite, rather than because it actually fits the characters.
I agree with you: Scully does believe the most important things Mulder believes. But this story is entirely from Mulder's POV, and he is not the most reliable of narrators. This is fourth season Mulder, the wild and crazy guy who went out and got a hole drilled into his head to recover lost memories of his childhood. He's "several ensigns short of an away team." He's not focused on her return. He's not thinking of who and what she's given up to come back, or of what that means about her feelings for him and her loyalty to the X-Files. He's still thinking about how he nearly lost her to someone else (or so he believes). He's probably still thinking about how he nearly lost her to the disease. So I don't think the comment is out of character given the nature of the discussion and how Mulder sees his relationship with Scully at this juncture.
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Date: 2011-10-16 03:14 pm (UTC)It's just an impression, but I feel that the ship and the remarkable bee-and-alien casefile strive against each other a little. Although I'm never averse to an /other complication--stories require conflict--this one seemed oddly gratuitous. But we must remember that our sensibilities have become infected by the love that then could not speak its name but has since become canon and rather confining to ficsters. This author could never be put in a cage.
The Samantha story is sheer horror, and we leave the poor little thing in a state of unconscious brain-warp. It's believable, though, and better than Chris Carter's sentimental write-off. I was especially fascinated by Mulder's psychological meltdown once he achieved his fondest wish. This guy doesn't really know what he wants, except Scully, though his busy schedule never seems to allow him to bed her.
I suppose the Mulder/Krycek cooperation is unlikely, but I like Krycek in the same don't-bother-me-with-facts way that RT does. And although unconvinced by the abused child theory of Mulderneurosis, it had become a fandom trope and this writer at least uses it sparingly.
Krycek. Such a bone of contention. But if we want tears and arguments rather than a polite exchange of opinions, we might dip into--I'm blocking. Continued in next post.
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Date: 2011-10-16 03:23 pm (UTC)I don't suppose this is a serious Club suggestion. Individuals are free to transgress.
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Date: 2011-10-18 09:04 pm (UTC)This.
I've always really liked RivkaT's fanfic, even though she's a looong way from my usual taste, and it has a lot to do with that, as you say, dry distance. Her writing is dark but not mirthless, exploratory but direct, and provocative but never entirely outrageous. Her stories are comprised of these striking and cinematic leaps of imagination, and then the matter of how to get canon to bend to those imaginings, in a way that will be pleasing, if unnerving, to the reader. This is something she seems to have a particular skill in doing.
It's just an impression, but I feel that the ship and the remarkable bee-and-alien casefile strive against each other a little.
Yes, I think you're right. I like the over all M/S dynamic in UTL, but whenever the fic does something that caters directly to the development of their relationship, it feels a bit tacked on.
But as you say, this is an old school fic. Things which seem clunky today often had a lot more novelty in early 1997. I tend to think of everything written before 1998 as being "first wave XF fanfic", and in that sense the fic writers who were producing during that time were pioneers. They were making our future fanon for us.
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Date: 2017-01-01 08:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-01-01 09:15 pm (UTC)I loved this story. If I have time today or tomorrow, I'll try to reread it. I'm group-modding a challenge community for the next couple of weeks at Dreamwidth, plus trying to fix all of the broken links here.
Did you read the last story or are you sick of prufrock's love?
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Date: 2017-01-01 11:22 pm (UTC)Yeah it wasn't so much that the VS8 stories were pure fluff, more like they were just the same basic story recycled over and over and over. Gak. Plus Mulder was critically injured in every episode about, which was too much even for the XF, particularly when they were trying to keep a running cohesive plot. Nobody recovers from both a broken arm and a broken leg in just 3 weeks, or from abdominal gunshot in 2 weeks. XF was always unrealistic in terms of so many things, but they also were only occasionally specific with timelines, but VS8 was pretty much trying to date absolutely everything. Anyway... Will go read the new one!