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Recently, while reading Human Credentials for the first time, I had such a strong desire to discuss it that I knew immediately I was going to post it here at some point. Then, while going through our recs page, I was pleased to find it had already been recced quite some time ago by [livejournal.com profile] tiger_bay.

Human Credentials picks up after FTF, in an AU season 6, when a mysterious lead prompts Mulder, Scully, and Diana to set out on an adventure that will challenge their humanity and take them to the ends of the earth, possibly in more ways than one. The fact that this fic is over 400K tends to suggest it's a story with a fair amount going on. That's an understatement. There's not a lot that isn't going on in Human Credentials. It incorporates the mytharc in a way that makes a powerful and surprising amount of sense, and it makes excellent use of nearly every major secondary character from the show, as well as bringing in at least one intriguing original character. On top of that, it has the kind of dark, controversial Mulder and Scully characterizations that are sure to spark discussion. And there's a fair amount of hot sex too.


Human Credentials


A Few Specifications and Caveats:

Regarding Diana Fowley: Her role is mainly in the first third of the fic, so if you aren't a fan of her character and you just can't see yourself making it through 400K of her presence, don't write this fic off! Human Credentials does give Diana her due, but it's still very much Mulder and Scully's show.

Regarding the sequel: There is one, and it's called Lendemains. It's an unfinished WIP, and it was written about a decade after Human Credentials. You may discuss it in the comments if you want to, but the 'official' rec is Human Credentials only. It's just easier that way.

Regarding our schedule: Because this fic is so long, we might spend more time on it than usual. If discussion is still going on after seven or eight days, or if people start posting saying they fully intend to comment but they need a little more time, then [livejournal.com profile] wendelah1 and I will hold off on posting a new fic for a few more days.

Regarding the content warnings: Heed them. Characters do some very troubling things in this fic. Things that will make excellent points for discussion, I think, but I don't want anyone getting blindsided.

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Date: 2011-06-08 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coldthermistor.livejournal.com
Whoa. It's just...it's a really wild ride. I don't even know where to begin, but I'm quite amazed at how they picked up on so many of the possibilities, and fleshed them out - even before Biogenesis, they said?

Characterisation...hmm. It's very, very raw, IMO. A great deal of emotional intensity, but I guess that's the whole point, right?

Date: 2011-06-10 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estella-c.livejournal.com
reading, reading, reading...

Date: 2011-06-15 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badforthefish.livejournal.com
First of all thank you for selecting my story for the book club, I'm very flattered.

Before I address specific issues pertaining to this fic, I would like to put this story back in its context:

I started writing HC around September/October 1998. The first chapter was published on December 15th 1998 and the last in April 2000.

I never meant for it to be so long. It was initialy supposed to be a short story based on the rather crude: "what would it take for M&S to have sex in the FBI parking garage?". Nope, there were no grand scheme planned.(I think this goes a long way to explain why Amyhit felt such a change of tone after the first fifty pages. More on this later.)

It was my first story. My only previous attempt at fanfic had been to add Skinner's inner monologue on a transcript scene from the "Red & The Black". And although I will always be proud of HC, there are many things that I would change now, if I ever revised the story.

Now about the story itself.

I found it very interesting to hear Amyhit say how she felt the fic changed dramatically around page fifty. I guess that's how long it took me to find my voice, and that at the beginning I didn't dare step too far away from canon. I am indeed a rabid Iolokus fan but I am also very aware that it is not given to everyone to take this particular brand of crazy and make it work.

I guess the beginning of the story revolved on "what if Scully's traumas had really taken their toll? What if Mulder, instead of being the crazy one, was the one getting better, what would their dynamic be like?" But I was an unexperienced writer back then, and I agree with Amy when she says: instead of sharp, flinty, enticingly screwed up characters, Mulder and Scully come off as...well, he's an asshole and she's just sort of pitiful. Though I'm still quite fond of the ending of that "Scully high as a kite" scene.

Anyway, the fic was supposed to end after the parking garage scene. But somehow, it didn't and became a completely different creature altogther. And I'm very proud of the fact that the show, came up with the concept of aliens being responsible for human evolution AFTER Cat - my then awesome beta scientist - and I, had used the idea for cornerstone of HC.

I also agree that the Scully/Diana interactions were at times too bitchy and heavy handed. This was just plain cheap and sloppy wirting.

Now about *that* sex scene in Tunisia. (copying and pasting some of the stuff I've discussed with Amy in a pm.)

Do I think it's rape? No I don't think it is, because:

A) they were in the middle of having sex.
B) Scully, or whatever was controlling Scully at the time did try to escape when she felt exposed, but the minute she felt Mulder still hard above her she stopped fighting and Her hips pushed up slightly against his . She stopped fighting then, yes she didn't participate but that's only because there was no longer any need to. The alien inside her had what it wanted: coitus.

I have to admit I debated many times about whether or not I should "sanitize" this scene and tone done the violence of it.

.../...

Date: 2011-06-15 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oops, Fish posted. I am deliberately not reading her.

I respect the hell out of Human Credentials. The writer announced her infatuation with a new and argument-inspiring example of fanfic--I told Wendelah that Iolokus "blew the doors off" expectations--and proceeded to display the sincerest form of admiration by trying to write in its nontraditional "tradition." This made her vulnerable to all sorts of accusations, including those of character-assassination and blatant imitation. Screw that. I don't intend to pile on.

For one thing, amyhit is right in pointing out that this is a nifty story-line. Few have dealt so well with the mytharc artifacts that CC left in such disarray. The lake of black oil is a wonderful passive villain. Character assassination? Got it right here. Complete rationale thrown in for free.

Mulder is drawn a bit outside the guidelines, though, predating modern feminism as I do, I'll leave the rape issue to others. Diana is sympathetic, which makes for a nice change, and the hard time that Scully gives her in claiming her lover is our first hard hint that the iron, as they used to say, has entered into her soul. (Where do I get these expressions? Haven't a clue.) Walter was great: the camel, not the AD, though he was okay too. Ali was a most fascinating sacrificial scientist. Krycek--ah, Krycek. Turning noble, and where did it get him? A cold, cold hell.

My primary problem with HC is in the area of tone, which is an extraordinarily hard thing to talk about. The combination of dire circumstance, self-hating behavior, and wisecrack is one that Iolokus pioneered, but it's really, really hard to do. Trying as I was to empathize with Scully's quest for normal happytimes, I was repeatedly thrown off by lines like "she now had the vital statistics to enter a Miss Dachau 2000 competition. His pity was not a crown she was willing to wear" or "She liked that. A lot. Although it would probably take the nation's supplies of Pentholotal (sic) to get her to admit it." Then there's "I needed that asshole to kick my ass." Exaggerated metaphors and the like can sometimes capture that agonizing link between pain and hilarity. But it's a fine, fine line, and failed hilarity can cause pain. And can leave the reader thinking that it's not a good idea to
flaunt what you don't got.

The sex? Pretty good, though I've found that reading carefully kinds of kills it for me. But the one thing that I can't forgive is Mulder and Scully fucking against the wall of the parking garage. Never! Dumb, distasteful, morally and physically questionable, totally nonerotic. Walter should have fired their asses! Yes, the camel too!

Guess I have piled on a bit. But I do consider Human Credentials a brave, exciting, and historically interesting piece of fiction.

Date: 2011-06-18 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightlack.livejournal.com
Breezing in and out with only two things to say:

Fifty-four comments! GotDAMN, the last time I was here we were still at thirteen!

And this: Krycek is an invertebrate scum-sucker whose moral dipstick is about two drops short of bone dry. <--- is the most amazing thing I've read all week long. Possibly counting last week, too.

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