![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
![[community profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png)
One of the things that impresses me about this story, is the intensity of the (albeit short) sex scene. It's amazing what an author can do with a few choice pieces of dialogue in the right setting. If you're a Krycek/Mulder fan, and hell even if you're not, you'll find this story very appealing.
~Bright Shiny Objects
I'm not so sure about that, but we shall see.
One of the fascinating things to me about fandom is how we're not all watching the same show.
Let's try again, shall we?
While we may all be playing the same DVDs (known hereafter as The X-Files), we can have completely different reactions to the same episode. For example, I think "Paper Hearts" is one of the worst episodes of the series but a good friend believes it's the best, and we can both make convincing arguments for our respective positions. Fans can make completely opposite interpretations of what it meant when Mulder told Scully that he even made his parents call him "Mulder." What hooks us into the show (and then the fandom) isn't always the same thing either. For some fans, The X-Files is about Mulder and Scully, two heroic FBI agents who investigate the inexplicable and fight the forces of evil. For others, it's a show about Mulder and Scully, two gorgeous and sexy FBI agents who fall in love, and okay yeah, so they solve crimes sometimes, too. And for some fans of the series, the most important or at least the most fascinating thing about The X-Files is the character of Alex Krycek.
Someone posted to the Confessions from the Basement tumblr that they "wished this fandom wasn't so militantly anti-slash." I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm not anti-slash. I read slash, although less in this fandom than most. Although you've probably already read it, here you go, anonymouse from tumblr, have some great Mulder/Krycek slash.
Read "Let's Play House."
Love it or hate it, please let us know what you think. And please, especially if you want to read more slash, leave us some suggestions in the nomination post for next time.
~Bright Shiny Objects
I'm not so sure about that, but we shall see.
Let's try again, shall we?
While we may all be playing the same DVDs (known hereafter as The X-Files), we can have completely different reactions to the same episode. For example, I think "Paper Hearts" is one of the worst episodes of the series but a good friend believes it's the best, and we can both make convincing arguments for our respective positions. Fans can make completely opposite interpretations of what it meant when Mulder told Scully that he even made his parents call him "Mulder." What hooks us into the show (and then the fandom) isn't always the same thing either. For some fans, The X-Files is about Mulder and Scully, two heroic FBI agents who investigate the inexplicable and fight the forces of evil. For others, it's a show about Mulder and Scully, two gorgeous and sexy FBI agents who fall in love, and okay yeah, so they solve crimes sometimes, too. And for some fans of the series, the most important or at least the most fascinating thing about The X-Files is the character of Alex Krycek.
Someone posted to the Confessions from the Basement tumblr that they "wished this fandom wasn't so militantly anti-slash." I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm not anti-slash. I read slash, although less in this fandom than most. Although you've probably already read it, here you go, anonymouse from tumblr, have some great Mulder/Krycek slash.
Read "Let's Play House."
Love it or hate it, please let us know what you think. And please, especially if you want to read more slash, leave us some suggestions in the nomination post for next time.
(frozen) no subject
Date: 2012-05-30 10:45 pm (UTC)One suggestion about directing discussion, which obviously you're free to disregard: I notice that this post has no summary of the story in question, no thoughts from you as a reader. Most of your other story discussion posts do have these things, and I think what's written in the original mod post tends to be what's responded to by initial commenters.
This post, as written, is mostly about how different fans read the show differently, and how slash is viewed by the fandom. There is very little about the story itself. So I'm not surprised it has prompted a reaction such as the above, because it sort of implicitly undercuts the validity of slash as an interpretation, and also undercuts this story as one worth discussing just like any of the (mostly) MSR stories highlighted here.
Basically: I applaud the motivation to be more inclusive. But the execution, for me, could be tweaked a bit.
Now off to read the story. Woo Mulder/Krycek!
(frozen) no subject
Date: 2012-05-30 11:13 pm (UTC)I would have thought so too, but apparently I was wrong, which gives even more credence to the tumblr post.
I notice that this post has no summary of the story in question, no thoughts from you as a reader. Most of your other story discussion posts do have these things, and I think what's written in the original mod post tends to be what's responded to by initial commenter.
Good point. I will keep that in mind for next time and try to avoid unnecessary side comments.
Looking back at my posts (as opposed to amyhit who does post a little more about the stories I think), I don't always post much about a fic other than who recced it (in this case someone from a rec community I like) and what made me post it. Like maybe I'm obsessed with season season or season one or the cancer arc or whatever it is I'm watching or reading or thinking about, which in this case was that Tumblr post. If I had taken the time, I might have found this story somewhere else, like Gossamer, and posted the author's summary from there. I am terrible at summarizing even my own stories and I don't like spoilers when I read. I did say I thought it was great but maybe that's not enough?
I do want this community to feel more inclusive and I'll try to do it better. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
(frozen) no subject
Date: 2012-05-31 03:47 am (UTC)(But I'm speaking from personal bias here: I don't read much XF fic anymore, and what I do read these days is largely not het, so I really just want to get into some actual story discussion already.)
Okay, so having read the story now:
It's not one of my faves. I'm glad for the pointer to an M/K story I've never read before, but it needed a harder scrub in terms of beta reading and editing. Typos and mistakes in punctuation abounded, and it was really overwritten and overwrought in a lot of places: too much reaching for metaphors and similes that didn't quite work, too much telling re: the M/K dynamic. Like, I was amused at first at the explanation of Mulder's violence with Krycek as sublimated homoerotic urges, but I mean, that's The Mulder/Krycek Dynamic 101 -- I don't need the author to actually point it out to me in the story. Show it to me instead.
I also didn't quite believe, in this short format, that Krycek was actually in love with Mulder. Getting enemy slash to that point, for me (whether the characters express love or it's implied), requires a more technically accomplished writer working in a longer format. I'm thinking of torch's Ghosts series and Anna S/eliade/A. Leigh-Anne Childe's In A Dark Time. (Probably this is why I'm more of a buddy slash reader! But then I'm also more of a buddy het reader. Anyway.) With this story, I kind of felt like a math teacher grading a test where a student skips the steps: "Show me the work!"
Finally, I appreciated that Scully had a prominent role in the first third of the story, but I felt it was missing a reference to Melissa Scully's death which would have added another layer of complexity to her interactions with Krycek.
Bonus humorous point: Krycek slipping his handcuff off the leg of Mulder's desk. Almost every time there was a description of how either Mulder or Scully had handcuffed him to something, I thought, "Come on! That's totally not secure!" Not sure if this was intentional on the author's part, but it threw me out of the story every time it happened, so when Krycek finally escaped it was sort of like, "Duh?"
I'm interested to read other people's reactions!
(frozen) no subject
Date: 2012-05-31 05:58 am (UTC)Yes, thank you. I do see your point. Slash is not going anywhere and doesn't need support. (I must seem pretty stupid. I'll do better next time.)
We do have off-topic discussions here a lot, maybe more than we should, regardless of what we're reading. Probably if I was a better mod, things would stay more on topic. I'm just happy to see people in the fandom interacting here, though not every interaction. Sigh.
So, the story.
I didn't notice enough typos, etc. — not enough to be bothered by them or thrown out of the story — I guess I'm not that observant.
I didn't find the language particularly over-written or over-wrought, but tastes do vary. I'm sure you'll receive support on both points.
Like, I was amused at first at the explanation of Mulder's violence with Krycek as sublimated homoerotic urges, but I mean, that's The Mulder/Krycek Dynamic 101 -- I don't need the author to actually point it out to me in the story. Show it to me instead.
See, I think that's one of the things I liked about this story. In general, I don't like reading enemy hate-sex, so I was fine with keeping it mostly in Krycek's head. I thought Mulder beat up on Krycek quite a lot, really.
Like you, I didn't believe that Krycek was in love with Mulder and I don't think Mulder did either. Were we supposed to believe that? This passage said it for me:
And maybe Alex is just proving him right, or maybe that shrink who he saw back in high school was onto something, with all that semi-obscene clumsy Freudian crap. Alex can't remember the exact words spoken, but the gist of it was that he orally-fixated and that he had a death wish. Over the years, the former, at least, has been proven and re-proven. The latter, too, if one chooses to analyze everything that Alex has done since he was seventeen. And, now, he's just doing it all over again- "I'm in love with you."
Surprisingly, Mulder's very cool about it. All Alex gets for his declaration is, "I bet you say that to all the boys you leave for dead in Russian concentration camps," and then, like he's just remembering, "Whose fathers you kill." He twists Alex's arm, sending pain like raw sugar through him.
Alex chokes on it, as surely as if syrup were being poured down his throat. "I did what I had to do."
"Why?" twist, "Why'd you have to do it?" twist.
Coughs Alex, "To not get dead. Really, Mulder, do you think that I'd die for you? That I would have, could have said No, let them kill me instead?"
Even facing away from him, Alex can tell that he's got that look of dry shock brushed across his features, like it actually hadn't occurred to him that Alex would rather commit murder than be offed himself. "You're still a murderer"- like it's that black and white.
I think for Mulder it is black and white--because Mulder would put his life on the line, he would give up his life for someone he loved. So of course he doesn't think Krycek is in love with him.
Mention of Melissa's death would have given more dimension to the story, although I'm not sure where the writer could have worked it in. Would Scully have brought it up? Would Mulder?
I loved it when Krycek escaped!
I really admire eliade's "In a Dark Time: Sleepless," although I wouldn't exactly describe her style as subtle. I have thought about posting it here but sadly I haven't had much luck getting people to read long fic—in any genre.
(frozen) no subject
Date: 2012-05-31 07:02 am (UTC)Some of the metaphors and similes that didn't work for me (just in the first third or I'd be here all night):
-- her voice coming out like the worn-away spots on a satin pump -- not even sure what this means
-- She issues forth a Shhh that is like the waves that lovingly assault the shore -- "lovingly," what?
-- He can practically hear the egg-shaped sound of the pipes dripping onto the concrete floor -- "egg-shaped"??
But then some things did work for me:
-- It was fascinating, beholding the artifacts of her unwinding femininity, all of the bottles that held breaths of a province he couldn't fathom.
-- Alex tries to breathe through his nose, but he can't quite, so when he speaks, he pants like an obscene caller.
-- The wallpaper reminds him of a sailor's uniform. There's an innocent look about blue and white, something that doesn't just hint, but speaks loudly of such promise, of potential.
You said:
In general, I don't like reading enemy hate-sex, so I was fine with keeping it mostly in Krycek's head. I thought Mulder beat up on Krycek quite a lot, really.
I'm completely fine with it being written in a limited Krycek perspective -- that's how I prefer my M/K usually. I just felt like the Mulder/Krycek Dynamic 101 stuff here felt more like character meta the author was inserting rather than something organic to the character and how he'd think about their relationship (perhaps this was the author's control over limited vs. omniscient 3rd person slipping). Again, the first reference amused me, but then this subsequent paragraph was just too much:
When he awakes, his arm is stiff, understandably, from being handcuffed to the metal headboard of Mulder's bed all night. It's not a kink, Mulder had explained, I just don't trust you. Whatever, Alex murmured, not really caring either way. It is a kink, it is so a kink- the lack of basic human trust between the two of them is like the world's biggest kink. When Mulder fucked him, it was very much an extension of all of those beatings, but also, bizarrely, an extension of their conversation earlier that night. It was a way of saying, I understand you, and I hate you, and I hate myself for understanding.
I agree with you that Mulder doesn't believe Krycek's in love with him, and your point about how Mulder would sacrifice himself for a loved one is excellent. I just didn't believe in Krycek's love from Krycek's perspective either.
You said:
Mention of Melissa's death would have given more dimension to the story, although I'm not sure where the writer could have worked it in.
When Scully takes Krycek back to her apartment, I think he could have had at least a fleeting thought: the last time he was there he was involved in the accidental killing of Scully's sister. The characters don't have to bring it up with each other -- they both know already. But I felt the author needed to bring it up with the readers -- because then we are reminded that there's this layer to the S/K interaction.
You said:
I haven't had much luck getting people to read long fic—in any genre.
Totally understood and agree. Shorter length stories work better for discussion.
(Okay, I will be amazed if this posts with all HTML code correct!)
(frozen) no subject
Date: 2012-05-31 07:35 am (UTC)No, that's okay. You don't have to apologize. I appreciate everything you've said and I'm glad you came and contributed to the discussion of the story. You've been more way more supportive than critical.
When Scully takes Krycek back to her apartment, I think he could have had at least a fleeting thought: the last time he was there he was involved in the accidental killing of Scully's sister. The characters don't have to bring it up with each other -- they both know already. But I felt the author needed to bring it up with the readers -- because then we are reminded that there's this layer to the S/K interaction.
That would have worked. Maybe I didn't notice its absence because the first thing I always think of when Krycek and Scully are in the same story (let alone the same room) is "that bastard killed her sister." It's like Scully-Krycek 101 for me.
If I'd had a gun, and I had been in her place, as soon as Krycek showed up, he'd be dead. End of story.
I really, really liked Melissa. And unlike, Scully, I am not a saint.
I wish I had a "Scully with her gun" icon to post this with.