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Our next fic is a relatively short colonization apocafic. To my knowledge, Teanna is a largely unknown author in the XF fandom. She only ever wrote three short XF fics, but her writing is spare, intelligent, sharply observant, and poetic without being wordy. She unflinchingly explores the characters and how they cope with fear, grief, and failure. I should definitely warn everyone that this story is, as the title suggests, bleak. Teanna warns readers that it’s "not a happy story," but at the risk of spoiling everyone, I should probably warn you that major character death is strongly implied and death in general is pretty ubiquitous in this story. This is the apocalypse portrayed with more grim realism than usual.

I hope some of you will read it anyway. There’s plenty in this fic to discuss, and I think summertime is probably the best time to read it, so that those of us who are particularly susceptible to gut-wrenching fanfic can shake off the darkness with a healthy dose of sunlight afterwards.

Read In the Bleak.

Date: 2012-08-15 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlegreen42.livejournal.com
I wasn't sure whether to ask this in the comments, but then I remembered that there are usually spoilers in the comments, so I guess I'll go ahead: Does "major character death" refer to Mulder and Scully (or one of them)?

Date: 2012-08-15 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] infinitlight.livejournal.com
It's both Mulder and Scully, but neither of them dies in the story. Although the ending doesn't leave them with much hope.

Date: 2012-08-15 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bardsmaid.livejournal.com
Having done a lot of research into wartime experiences, I don't find bleak off-putting. Teanna does a good job of capturing the numbness and dissociation people go through when dealing with long periods when conditions are tough and it seems there's no progress to be made. I especially liked her treatment of the very end of the story, because it rings true to experiences I've read about, people suddenly "coming to themselves" as the end approaches, and the choices made/actions taken by Mulder and Scully at this point seemed appropriate for the characters as we've come to know them.

However, I have to say that my suspension of disbelief was severely jolted right at the outset by the corpse on the roadside. Having just done some research into this topic for something I'm writing, there seems to be a serious lack of plausibility here. Four weeks later, the corpse is still lying there, almost as if it were a mannequin--no really notable decomposition, no bloating, none of the smells or the processes dead bodies inevitably go through. Children using the corpse as their gathering place? I really can't see it. Plus there's a reason people get rid of corpses as soon as possible; the associated health hazards are something people in this situation wouldn't likely want to add to the burdens they're already facing.

Date: 2012-08-15 03:25 pm (UTC)
wendelah1: (Detour)
From: [personal profile] wendelah1
I concur about the corpse for sure. Even in the cold of New England, a dead body would be showing massive signs of decomposition after that amount of time. I can't imagine children coming anywhere near it. For the health hazard, I can't imagine Scully allowing it. I don't think she'd have any trouble taking on Doggett.

The other thing that threw me out of this story was the sudden appearance of Langley, out of nowhere. Why didn't Mulder ask him about the other Gunmen? Why were they talking in code about Scully? I thought it was odd for Doggett to have ended up there all the way from San Diego, too. How did that happen? It makes me wonder if Teanna knew much about US geography, about the distances between the East and West coasts. She does have Mulder wonder briefly about the coincidence of having three FBI agents in this town, but then it gets dropped. The mysteries all remain unsolved. She just drops people into the story, stirs in some dead bodies and aliens and poof! Everyone dies, so there's no need to bother with the plot or the characterizations anyway.

I found this story frustrating. Compared to the amount of detail and background we get in Life During Wartime, this doesn't add up to much in the end. I can't imagine ever bothering reading it again.

Date: 2012-08-15 11:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] infinitlight.livejournal.com
This was awesome, although I'm usually among those who don't like anything too gut-wrenching. I really liked the author's poetic and kind of stream-of-consciousness style. There were a number of lines in the story that stood out to me. It's a good, solid story, but the quality of the prose makes it great. Like this paragraph:

Her hair, it's never been this long (that he knows), she keeps it in a braid mostly
and he thinks, when he remembers such things, that she looks more like her
sister Melissa now. But he has trouble remembering his mother's face, and so he
might be wrong.


I really like that there's kind of a rhythm to the words here and in a few other places in the story, a beat, like poetry or a song. Another part I liked (and that has the same kind of beat):

A child has led me to these woods, he thinks, and like so many times before, like
so many times since They came, he doesn't know if he is quoting someone or if
he made it up. The words are heavy and they don't go well with what he
remembers of himself, of what he was like - his words were lighter, before.


That said, I'm not sold on the characterization. Mulder (the POV character) was recognizable, but I thought the characterization of Scully was odd. In particular this was weird:

In bed, most nights, she slaps at his hands and it hurts. And so he keeps his
hands to himself, and in his sexual fantasies she looks like she used to look in
DC, short hair and smart suits and all.


Ew, and also if she's slapping his hands away most nights the second sentence ("he keeps his hands to himself") doesn't make sense. Also ew.

(And then:

What he plans for when he's been slapped away by Scully and he's lying next to
her, hurting.
)

Stop whining Mulder, it's the end of the damn world. Try to get your priorities straight.

I also thought the characterization of Doggett was...strange? Non-existent? It seemed like he was an original character who the author just decided to name Doggett. He didn't really bear any resemblance to the character in the show, that I could see. I don't think I really understood what I was supposed to understand from him.


Date: 2012-08-15 03:46 pm (UTC)
wendelah1: (Detour)
From: [personal profile] wendelah1
I'm not sold on the characterizations either. I can well believe Scully might be exhausted and not be in the mood for sex, but "slapping his hands away"? However, I'm not willing to criticize Mulder for wanting the comfort of sex. If it's the end of the world as we know it, I'd certainly want to make love to the person who'd shared my life for so long and who now shared my bed. People can feel more hurt about rejection like that in the middle of a crisis than they might otherwise. Because now time is short and they may not get another chance. That's not whining.That's just human.

Doggett in no way resembled the man we saw on screen. If he was an original character, he wasn't a believable one. Really, there were so many loose ends in this fic, it just made me irritable. None of the mysteries get solved. She just dumps her characters together in this situation without bothering to explain how they got there. There wasn't enough detail to make me believe in what was happening or care about the outcome. Maybe we were supposed to be so grossed out by the imagery that we didn't notice how thin the plot was. I didn't buy the roving bands of evil children motif either. Children are the most vulnerable members of a population. Why would they survive? If their parents died of plague, they'd be dead too. But I guess she wanted a reason for us to be suspicious of Doggett and having him shoot kids was the best she could come up with. Meh.

Date: 2012-08-16 10:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] infinitlight.livejournal.com
To clarify my position on Mulder, the wording that she slaps his hands away "most nights" annoys me, because it suggests that he's touching her without permission or invitation all or almost all nights, and she's almost always slapping him away, and he doesn't get it. I mean, Mulder's an intelligent person, it seems like he would take this as a sign that they need to talk. 99% of your advances being rejected should suggest that there's something going on other than Scully deliberately being mean to him (which is the tone I get from his POV).

The combination of her slapping him away (yeah, I don't buy that she'd do that either) and the immediate sentence that follows, which is about his sexual fantasies about her, bothers me. It feels petty and somehow threatening, like he's getting back at her by fantasizing about her. This fantasy version of Scully can't refuse him.

Of course, in that paragraph I'm not sure if I'm supposed to understand that Mulder at some point stops making advances ("so he keeps his hands to himself"), or if this is ongoing, every night.

Were the roaming bands of evil children real? Or was that something Doggett or local folklore made up? By the end of the story, I don't really know whether Doggett's truly a bad guy here.

Date: 2012-08-23 03:37 pm (UTC)
wendelah1: (Detour)
From: [personal profile] wendelah1
We don't know much by the end of this story, do we? Maybe if amyhit gets a chance to weigh in here she can give us her interpretation of the facts.

You're right, I can't tell if he's making moves on her every night or if he tried a few times was rebuffed and now he keeps his hands to himself . I'm inclined to the latter, in which case, I can't blame Mulder for having sexual fantasies. Sometimes fantasies of something better than grim reality are all that keeps you going, and like dreams, they aren't something you choose, are they? I think of (and experience, I should clarify) fantasies as waking dreams.

Date: 2012-08-21 06:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obviousanswer.livejournal.com
I started off on the wrong foot through no fault of the author. In my addled mind Lance Armstrong= Neil Armstrong = Buzz Aldrin, therefore Lance Aldrin= the second man on the moon. So my first thoughts where "A post-apocalyptic dead astronaut's body? Intriguing!... And he's gone back in time to16?.." etc.. (As a petty aside, I wish writers wouldn't use names with one strong connotation (Does 'Aldrin' count? It does for me, and when you google 'Aldrin' it is pretty much all Buzz...), because even when I'm not being a total idiot, I still end up thinking about their namesakes instead of simply discovering the new character from scratch...)

What I liked best were the glimpses of cynical Scully. A bitingly cynical post-apocalyptic Scully rings true for me, there were moments in the show when her dark sense of humour came out and I'd love to read more of it.

But like others have said, though it was well written it didn't quite come together for me. Others have made really good points. Doggett wasn't Doggett-y, Langly didn't do anything Langly-y, why were the children more evil than the adults? How were the adults coping with the chaos? I liked the idea of a crazed Doggett with nothing to lose trying to be a cop in a world gone mad, and his backstory was intriguing (if out of character) but nothing much was added by the conversations with him in the story. There was a lot of mystery, without much pay off for me. It was hinted for a while that Scully was dying, so that wasn't a surprise, it wasn't a surprise that Mulder stayed with her, and Scully dying in a hospital with a sick child is a pretty "typical" Scully death (??? I don't know how to phrase that better...!). Which does have a sad, resigned beauty to it all, but not my cup of tea. I personally wanted more details on the apocalypse or a more unexpected revelatory ending.

Date: 2012-08-23 03:28 pm (UTC)
wendelah1: (Detour)
From: [personal profile] wendelah1
Dark cynical Scully? Have you read Iolokus or anything by Rivkat? Rivkat gives us the darkest Scully I can imagine and she's a terrific writer. You would probably love Life During Wartime, too. It's long, multi-chaptered and multi-authored, but so worth it. That fic is the reason I started watching the show in the first place.

There were a lot of questions raised, but not many answers provided. I think your description of the fic is very fitting:: it has "a sad, resigned beauty." There is certainly an audience for that sort of story in this fandom but I'm not among them in this case.

I have a hard time imagining Agent Doggett behaving in this manner. Without more information it just feels like his name was slapped onto a character. On the show, he seems like one of the good guys, not the kind of man who'd kill kids either, especially since his own son was murdered.
Edited Date: 2012-08-23 03:29 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-25 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obviousanswer.livejournal.com
I haven't read Iolokus, I've downloaded some stuff by Rivkat but haven't gotten around to reading it yet. Thanks for the rec! I'm looking forward to the end of the year when I'll be on holidays and can tackle some epically long fics...

That fic is the reason I started watching the show in the first place.


Wait, you read Life During Wartime before you'd started watching the show? I never realised anyone did it that way around!

Yeah I'm not part of that particular audience either, but it was definitely worth giving it a try.

Date: 2012-08-25 02:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wendelah1
My first online fandom was Stargate SG-1 and one of my favorite writers was Cofax, the catalyst of "Life During Wartime" in this fandom. I'd run out of her fic and liked the apocafic genre so I figured I give it a try. I started watching the show on the scifi channel to get backstory for LDW. The next thing I knew I was staying up to tape it on late night TNT. I eventually got an idea for a fic, made my journal and five years later, here I am.

I don't think it's that uncommon for readers to follow writers they like into new fandoms. I read Maybe Amanda and OneMillionandNine's Sherlock fic before I had seen Sherlock. Frankly, I like it way, way better than its canon, which I think is highly over-rated by its fanbase. Anyway, I think what's different about what I did is that I went backwards to her earlier work, and then got totally hooked on a closed canon fandom. Well, presumably closed canon. I know there are a lot of fans out there who feel cheated by the lack of closure and want a third movie. I don't think they're going to get one.

The X-Files has a lot of long fic but I'm going to try to rec as much shorter fic as I can to keep people engaged here come fall. A lot of the membership is in school. Although, working full-time isn't exactly a walk in the park either...

Date: 2012-08-25 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlegreen42.livejournal.com
I read Maybe Amanda and OneMillionandNine's Sherlock fic before I had seen Sherlock.

Just jumping in here to ask: where can I find this fic? I'm intrigued by the idea of Sherlock fic by X-Files fic writers.

Date: 2012-08-25 07:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wendelah1
I've recced it a couple of times in my journal. It's not Sherlock/John and it's not slash. It's also not canon compliant after season one. It's very, very long, like novel length, it's het fic, and it's NC-17 like whoa, but not kinky. The pairing is Sherlock/Molly. It's also brilliant. Everyone's in character and so beautifully written. The plot is complicated, exciting and ultimately life-affirming. I think it's supremely better than the series itself, at least in the second season.

Still interested? Let me know and I'll track down the link for you. It's at AO3 under Maybe Amanda.

Date: 2012-08-25 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlegreen42.livejournal.com
Hmmn, I'm not really into novel-length fics and I tend to skip through sex scenes, but I might give it a try anyway.

Date: 2012-08-25 07:44 pm (UTC)
wendelah1: (Applause)
From: [personal profile] wendelah1
Here you go: The Sustain Series. I think the first part can stand alone, part two is a cliff-hanger and part three is the resolution to part two.

Since I disliked the second series and don't ship any pairings and don't enjoy the kind of fic written for it (and yes, I have read enough to tell), I do not consider myself in the Sherlock fandom but I am in theirs forever more. I'll read anything they write anyway, but together, they're an amazing writing team.

I tend to skip the sex, too, but OneMil writes really great sex so I read hers. Anyway. Enjoy!

Date: 2012-08-26 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obviousanswer.livejournal.com
Ahhh that makes sense. Sorry if I ask some silly questions/ make naive comments, but I hope having some naive perspectives in the book club isn't a bad thing..!

I'm studying also, but in the southern hemisphere, I might ask you for some more long recs come summer.

Date: 2012-08-26 03:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wendelah1
No, no. Questions are always welcome, as are new people to fandom and The X-Files. New energy is what keeps fandoms alive. I have a Tumblr now and I've been getting so many ideas for stories. Not that anyone there will read them. or even know about them. The fandom is split up now. I wish I knew how to fix that. Anyway, the enthusiasm is contagious.

Southern hemisphere--so this is still winter for you and you're in school now. A good friend lives in Australia, which is many time zones ahead on the other side of the planet. I think it's already one in the afternoon on Sunday there and we haven't eaten Saturday dinner yet. Are you still on Saturday or are you also a person of the(my) future? LOL

Date: 2012-08-26 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obviousanswer.livejournal.com
Ah that's a shame to hear, about the fandom being so spilt up. I don't really understand tumblr, it seems like a much much prettier lj but shallower too...? As in, how do people actually properly communicate with each other on it beyond re-blogging, or am I missing the point? And a lot of lj has migrated across? I used to have a journal here a few years ago and it seemed a lot more active, lj was never very pretty, but some of the long posts or long conversation threads were amazing...

I'm a person of winter and the future too! 2pm Sunday here on the east coast of Aus.

Date: 2012-08-24 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] infinitlight.livejournal.com
I also didn't have a problem with the corpse by the side of the road, for the reasons you mention and because burying your dead indicates a kind of hope for the future that I don't think is reflected in the story.

There's also the probability it would have been hard for townspeople to band together to bury it. For one thing, they don't seem to be working together (and again, it feels like there's a collective loss of hope that makes any kind of collaboration with others more difficult). People would also be scared of antagonizing Doggett. One person could dig a grave, of course, but although I've never buried a human, I've buried animals, and it's hard goddamn work on your own, especially in the winter.

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